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March 18th, 2009

Tuesday, March 17th

TimI think I tend to laugh more at the Tim & Ray comics because there’s just enough truth to them to really crack me up. The truth I’m referring to is obviously the fact that Tingle is a Leprechaun, just like the bad guys in RE5 are zombies. Anyhow, this comic was entirely Ray’s doing, as I was away all weekend, and am WAY TOO BUSY in general these days. While the comic depicts me lounging by the pool o’ money, the real Tim is taking 2 classes at night that are kicking his butt. So a big thanks to Ray for not letting the streak end at 109 straight comics!

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78 Comments

  1. Noodle says:

    You got me worried that one of you died because of the name :S.

  2. Noodle says:

    Oh but good comic. Happy B’Day!

  3. Lilguitarist says:

    Great comic guys.

    I love the Scroogey-ness of Tim’s webcomic counterpart, or indeed Tim in real life, I’m not completely well informed on Tim’s work habits and treatment of workers in real life.

    Love the Sonic party hats too. A nice touch.

  4. Lilguitarist says:

    Oh and happy birthday for yesterday Ray.

    I hope it wasn’t really as crappy as depicted.

    Did you get anything good?

  5. hydrocow says:

    happy late b-day ray.

  6. GX Echidna says:

    Happy St. PatRay’s Day!

    And, hey, it could be worse. You could be hallucinating a Navi.

  7. RedVinnie says:

    HAPPY LATE BDAY RAY!!!!! this one made me genuine roflmao, and thats kind of rare for me nowadays. 5 stars!
    Great comic guys!

  8. RedVinnie says:

    HAPPY LATE BDAY RAY!!!!! this one made me genuine roflmao, and thats kind of rare for me nowadays. 5 stars!
    Great comic guys!

  9. RedVinnie says:

    btw, nice sonic party hats!!!

  10. steve-ohs says:

    Great Comic!
    Sorry that your bday was so sad ray, only your work and imaginary tingle to be around.

    and Tim, Ray seems to be getting kinda whinely lately, maybe you should stop paying him, or feeding him, or whatever just so he remembers his place. You’re in charge, not him. Mr. President.

  11. Haniko says:

    Horrible Comic Guys,
    How could Tim forget Chuck Norris?

    And Happy Belated Birthday, Ray.

  12. it’s not easy being green… with envy! (of comic Tim, that is)

  13. Oliver Strano says:

    Happy Birthday Ray!!! Maybe Tim’ll let you have a swim in his money pool… Not the one with notes, the one with pennies, you know, the kiddy pool filled with six dollars of pennies. Then he’ll make clean out his money pool in return. This comic made me chuckle, has a nice depth to it, especially loving the party hats. The sky in the first frame looks really good too. Hope you had fun locked up in that cell Tim allows you to inhabit while drawing for the day. Nice one.

  14. FluffyPanda says:

    Panel 3 made me laugh out loud. Nice work Ray.

    Tingle creeps me out though. Not in the comic in particular, just in general. He really is one freaky little elf/fairy/leprechaun/thing.

  15. Lilguitarist says:

    Panel 3 made me laugh out loud. Nice work Ray.
    Tingle creeps me out though. Not in the comic in particular, just in general. He really is one freaky little elf/fairy/leprechaun/thing.

    Too right! I remember the first time I saw him in Wind Waker *shudders*

  16. roadjcat says:

    Wait. Only Chun-Li, Optimus Prime, and Master Chief? What about ROUGE!?

    Anyway, yay for the return of the swimming pool of money and yay for randomness!

  17. MetaRidleyR27 says:

    Awesome Comic Guys! After reading the first panel, I was expecting a much shorter comic. Anyway, the art is fantastic, espicially the second panel. It could easily be a wallpaper.

  18. Nivomi says:

    Happy St. PatRay’s Day!
    And, hey, it could be worse. You could be hallucinating a Navi.

    “Hey, Listen! Give me your keys!”

    I was listening to the podcast and I heard the “Rise From Your Grave” Segment, and decided I would wait until I could contribute something useful in the comments. I got tired of waiting.

    On the comic, NCG! Love to see the pool of money again!

  19. Jordan the Hedgehog says:

    Hey birthday Ray!
    Also, Tim isn’t wearing green in that first panel…
    Heh heh heh…
    And yes, I’d want to stay away from Tingle, too.
    I’d prefer Navi or Omochao over Tingle any day… >_>

  20. DrOswald says:

    This is a fantastic comic.

    Panel 3 made me laugh out loud. Nice work Ray.
    Tingle creeps me out though. Not in the comic in particular, just in general. He really is one freaky little elf/fairy/leprechaun/thing.

    Too right! I remember the first time I saw him in Wind Waker *shudders*

    You know what is the creepiest thing of all? He isn’t a elf, fairy or leprechaun. He is just a roughly 30 year old guy that walks around in skin tight green spandex and yells “Kooloo-Limpah!” at passing strangers.

  21. MasterXell says:

    Lol, that was very good. Ray talking to Tingle thinking he was a Leprechaun.

  22. Bulimickoala says:

    Who invites tingle to their birthday party? I mean srsly Ray get some friends who wants to be with you. Good comic but where are the baby Ray & Tim.

  23. tustin says:

    😀 Awesome! Another Tim and Ray Comic!

    Ray, you hit Tingle SPOT ON!! I am awed by your drawing skills. Though… I’m creeped out as to why you invited Tingle to your party… I mean, you could have at least invited Sonic, then you could have at least asked him to throw a few homing attacks at Tim as his present to you. 😀

    (Also, for the record, we’ve seen Myamuto and Sonic (and other brawl characters) interact in the same reality, so Tingle may not be a hallucination, he may actually be invited… Have one more beer, Ray.)

    Happy Birthday, Ray!

  24. Doopliss says:

    That was pretty good, but not as good as your usual standard. I can understand why though, HAPPY BIRTHDAY RAY! I expected a rise from your grave segment in your podcast, but you didn’t even have a black doom award. That annoyed me, but still nice job, and happy birthday!

  25. chief1185 says:

    I like how you put in the money pool!!!

    Happy B – Day Ray!!!!!!!!

  26. FluffyPanda says:

    The swimming pool of money (hereafter referred to only as the SPoM) always seems to crop up when Ray writes the comic by himself.

    Almost as if he’s bitter about it… or it’s some secret code to get us to help him break out of his illustrator slavery. With every NCG that’s posted he just cries to himself and wonders if anyone out here will get it.

    Well sorry Ray, but we’re all a little too happy to sit here and fire NCGs at the results of your indentured servitude.

  27. Narnian says:

    Happy B-day Ray! The first panel alone made me smile 🙂

  28. Betta splenden says:

    Happy Birthday! I like how Ray looks paler in Green. Tingle is done very well too. The Tim panel is really good, but my favourite is the frist panel. It’s a comic on it’s own, for the reason that there would be no comic. NCG!

  29. Dominator_101 says:

    Nice comic! So, when do we get to see that comic that Tim was making you work on?

    Oh, and I guess (even though everyone else already said it), Happy Birthday Ray!

  30. DrOswald says:

    (Also, for the record, we’ve seen Myamuto and Sonic (and other brawl characters) interact in the same reality, so Tingle may not be a hallucination, he may actually be invited… Have one more beer, Ray.)
    Happy Birthday, Ray!

    I like how you imply that Miyamoto is a fictional character.

    In any case, the way I read the comic (because I think it is more amusing) is that Ray, who has lost all his friends due to his continued servitude to the unreasonable demand of Tim, is throwing a “Happy Birthday to Me” party with his imaginary leprechaun drinking buddies and tingle just wandered in, as tingle tends to do.

    Oh, and happy birthday Ray.

  31. Evan says:

    I’ve heard of nubby elbows, but those things look tumorous. NCRay!

  32. D3vin says:

    Green Speech bubbles!? I thought since I’m the green one, I’d get green bubbles…

  33. D3vin says:

    Wait. Only Chun-Li, Optimus Prime, and Master Chief? What about ROUGE!?
    Anyway, yay for the return of the swimming pool of money and yay for randomness!

    She’s in panel 13

  34. Ryman says:

    Happy B-day Ray….

    And Tim, shouldn’t you be building an army of loyal 2p starters (you’re the prez, so just add in a draft or something) and overthrow Ray’s army of drunk zelda leprechons? If you don’t, it’ll just be another civil war to go down in history…

    Think of it this way: you can use the leprechons as servents to tend to your pool of money and factory of Dr. Pepper. ITS GENIUS! I’M SO SMRT!

  35. BadnikHunter says:

    Happy Birthday Ray! Thats a pretty awesome comic. I like how Tim is lounging around near his pool of money with the sun shining, Yet Ray is sitting in the dark with birthday decorations around tired, forced to make a 12 panel comic. I guess this shows that Ray is really Tim’s slave. Poor Ray, at least you get to run the podcast. NCG!

  36. Anon says:

    I just realized…Ray’s party hat has Sonic on it!

  37. roadjcat says:

    It’s quite obvious that this comic was “inspired” by this one (even the title): http://www.2pstart.com/2008/09/24/sunday-sept-21st/

    But what is so funny, is that it’s totally different, yet obviously similar…

  38. Poor Ray.
    Tim is such a slave driver.

  39. vincecult says:

    im gonna stand right outside tims property line and wait for wind to catch that pool. come onnnnnn wind!

  40. zijjh says:

    Poor Ray shot himself in the foot. Now we will all demand a 12+ panel comic with those characters. Start the petition.

    Also, I have to be faster. I’ll never get the first comic accomplishment like this!

    Oh ya, TCITA,AAATOTARC,AICWTSMOTZATYGGI,PWATAR,G
    [spoiler]this comic is totally awesome, as are all the other Tim and Ray comic, and I cannot wait to see more of the zany adventure that you guys get into, plus where are TiMii and RayMii, guys[/spoiler]

  41. Jordan the Hedgehog says:

    Poor Ray shot himself in the foot. Now we will all demand a 12+ panel comic with those characters. Start the petition.

    *signs petition*

    Oh ya, TCITA,AAATOTARC,AICWTSMOTZATYGGI,PWATAR,G
    Show ?

    this comic is totally awesome, as are all the other Tim and Ray comic, and I cannot wait to see more of the zany adventure that you guys get into, plus where are TiMii and RayMii, guys

    How long did you spend doing that?!

  42. Jordan the Hedgehog says:

    Ack, the spoiler tags don’t work when I reply… >_>

  43. Clearly Tim is doing Ray a favor, by giving him all that work Ray wont even notice that the only one who showed up to his party was an imaginary pseudo-leprechaun.

  44. Doopliss says:

    By the way, love the Sonic party hat.

  45. It’s quite obvious that this comic was “inspired” by this one (even the title): http://www.2pstart.com/2008/09/24/sunday-sept-21st/
    But what is so funny, is that it’s totally different, yet obviously similar…

    He looked a little back then, too.

  46. It’s quite obvious that this comic was “inspired” by this one (even the title): http://www.2pstart.com/2008/09/24/sunday-sept-21st/
    But what is so funny, is that it’s totally different, yet obviously similar…

    He looked a little green back then, too.

  47. ultimateDK says:

    Ray’s speech balloon is green! so is tingle’s!

    If you add the logical qualifier that each speech balloon color is designated to only one entity at any given time (i.e., a single comic) then by the law of modus ponens, we arrive at the logical conclusion that …
    Ray = Tingle! 😀

    Think about it…it explains alot…
    1) “Tingle” was at the party the whole time
    2) “Tingle” spends alot of his time drawing (maps and comics, apparently)
    3) “Tingle” wears outrageous clothing…c’mon he’s wearing a Sonic hat, for goodness sake!

    I think I’ve hit the jackpot here, people 🙂

  48. Jordan the Hedgehog says:

    Ray’s speech balloon is green! so is tingle’s!
    If you add the logical qualifier that each speech balloon color is designated to only one entity at any given time (i.e., a single comic) then by the law of modus ponens, we arrive at the logical conclusion that …
    Ray = Tingle!
    Think about it…it explains alot…
    1) “Tingle” was at the party the whole time
    2) “Tingle” spends alot of his time drawing (maps and comics, apparently)
    3) “Tingle” wears outrageous clothing…c’mon he’s wearing a Sonic hat, for goodness sake!
    I think I’ve hit the jackpot here, people

    0_o holy crap dude, you just may have something there!

  49. zijjh says:

    How long did you spend doing that?!

    Not long, I basically came up with the sentence then just added the initials, really only like 30 seconds.

  50. zijjh says:

    If you add the logical qualifier that each speech balloon color is designated to only one entity at any given time (i.e., a single comic) then by the law of modus ponens, we arrive at the logical conclusion that …
    Ray = Tingle!

    OMG someone else who knows Modus Ponens!

    did you take a course in logic?

    I just finished one so It’s kind off ironic that it should come up 🙂

  51. ultimateDK says:

    OMG someone else who knows Modus Ponens!

    did you take a course in logic?

    Yeah, I took a couple of logic courses between high school and college combined. It’s actually more fun that it sounds.

  52. You got me worried that one of you died because of the name :S.

    Tim and Ray can’t die,

    Ray’s immortal
    and
    Tim’s funny

    They function as one… usually…

  53. zijjh says:

    Ray’s speech balloon is green! so is tingle’s!
    If you add the logical qualifier that each speech balloon color is designated to only one entity at any given time (i.e., a single comic) then by the law of modus ponens, we arrive at the logical conclusion that …
    Ray = Tingle!

    BUT!! They are clearly different shades of green!

    Sorry to burst the bubble!

  54. ultimateDK says:

    BUT!! They are clearly different shades of green!

    Sorry to burst the bubble!

    True, but consider this:
    Tim and Ray (in real life) have a set of personalities, likes and dislikes, habits, looks, etc. While not 100% true to the original, Comic Ray and Tim (aka RayMii and TiMii, respectively) are representations of the originals, meaning they contain a subset of the personalities, etc. of real Tim and Ray, while adding their own.

    Tingle, while not 100% true to HIS original (aka RayMii), contains a wide subset of his original’s traits (see above comment).

    We can make the follwing conclusion:
    Tingle originates from RayMii.
    RayMii originates from Ray.

    Use the transitive property, and BAM! Tingle = Ray.

  55. zijjh says:

    While your initial argument about TiMii and RayMii is accurate, they are a clear representation of the original, the arguement that Tingle is Ray is flawed.

    1) Tingle was at the party. This does not prove that that they are the same person. The existance of two objects in the same physical location do not imply they are the same. For example
    I am in Canada, Paul is in Canada -> I am Paul. This is a clearly false conclusion.

    2) Preety much the same argument. A shared activity does not imply sameness. E.g. I play baseball, Sam plays baseball -> I am Sam

    3) The fact that he wears ridiculous clothes does not even connect him to Ray. While the hat may be a loose connection, it is more likely a similarity based on the situation as opposed to intrinsic meaning.

    I realize that these arguments are being used to induce that they are the same, but let me give another example.

    I am playing baseball in Canada, while wearing a baseball jersey.
    Paul is playing baseball in Canada, while wearing a baseball jersey.
    Therefore, I am Paul?

    This highlights that the sharing of traits does not directly imply that they are the same.

  56. ultimateDK says:

    Completely valid arguments. However, there is one assumption that you make in your arguments that I do not, and that is that your arguments infer you are talking about a single universe of properties, while mine do not. My arguments speak of 2 specific universes, while implying a potential 3rd.

    your arguments deal only with the real world:

    I am in Canada, Paul is in Canada -> I am Paul. This is a clearly false conclusion.

    You are completely true, given a single. However, apply a 2nd universe: the Comic Universe, for example

    zijjhMii is in Canada, zijjh is Canada. –> While we can’t directly say zijjhMii is zijjh, we can say zijjhMii is a representation of zijjh, but this deals with the intrinsic properties of said Comic Universe, which I’d really rather not get into.

    This 3rd universe that may be implied comes from Tingle’s comment in Panel #3: “You should drink another beer, shouldn’t you?” Another beer implies at least one prior beer, thus allowing for the possibility of RayMii’s hallucination “universe” to have emerged, or even possibly fused with the Comic Universe.

    Given that multiple universes alter the rules with which we can make logical conclusions, I think it’s safe to say that Tingle is, at the very least, a representation of Ray.

  57. MetaRidleyR27 says:

    This brings up another interesting situation. The reason Ray’s speech bubble in this comic is green is clearly because he’s wearing a shirt of the same color. The same applies to Tingle, as well as most characters that have appeared in the comics. If this logic still applies, then why are Tim’s speech bubbles still blue, as he no longer wears his white and blue jacket? More importantly, what ever happened to that jacket in the first place?! Then again, I’ve always assumed that Tim and Ray were following Brawl’s (as well as other games) color setup for players (Player 1 is red, Player 2 is blue, etc.), so they could still be following that trend. And then again, maybe I’m (as well as some of the other members) just overanalyzing the speech bubbles. :mrgreen:

  58. ultimateDK says:

    I hope you’re not taking this as an argument, I’m just really having fun with applying logic to everyday things 😀

  59. D3vin says:

    OBjECTION!

    Ray’s Mii is not named RayMii, it is a plain and boring name.
    It is called Do’hRayMii, because it has a pun in it. Just like TimMii is a pun on ‘Timmy’, Do’hRayMii is a pun on the first three notes on the G scale, since Ray is a musician.

  60. D3vin says:

    Tim and Ray were following Brawl’s (as well as other games) color setup for players (Player 1 is red, Player 2 is blue, etc.), so they could still be following that trend. And then again, maybe I’m (as well as some of the other members) just overanalyzing the speech bubbles.

    That leads me to ask, Since the comic is called 2p Start!, who is the first player. You’d say Ray is because of the Sonic shoes, but on the logo, Tim’s stick figure comes first, making that the first player.

    Who came first? The chicken or the egg? Tim or Ray?

  61. zijjh says:

    I can agree with the idea that Tingle is a representation, but it does not seem that Tingle is a representation of Ray.

    RayMii says that he will get a leperachaun friend of his at which point Tingle shows up. Tingle is RayMii intrepretation of a leperachaun and not one of himself.

    In additional it is reasonable to assume that Tingle is simply a hallucination brought about by being drunk.

    There is significant doubt as to the plausibility that Tingle is Ray. While I would say that it is clearly a possibility, it is much less likely then some of the other possibilites (hallucination, actually there, ect.)

  62. zijjh says:

    *By the way, yes, I know this is just in fun, but I enjoy developing obscure, yet valid counterarguments.

  63. Happy Birthday? says:

    Happy birthday, RAY. Good morning world!

  64. tustin says:

    (Also, for the record, we’ve seen Myamuto and Sonic (and other brawl characters) interact in the same reality, so Tingle may not be a hallucination, he may actually be invited… Have one more beer, Ray.)
    Happy Birthday, Ray!

    I like how you imply that Miyamoto is a fictional character.
    In any case, the way I read the comic (because I think it is more amusing) is that Ray, who has lost all his friends due to his continued servitude to the unreasonable demand of Tim, is throwing a “Happy Birthday to Me” party with his imaginary leprechaun drinking buddies and tingle just wandered in, as tingle tends to do.
    Oh, and happy birthday Ray.

    Uh, no, I wasn’t implying that he was fictional. I was saying he’s real, Sonic is fictional, as is Tingle, and therefore in the 2PSTART! comic we are in this world where real people and fictional characters can exist in the same reality.

    I mean, Myamuto conducted a try-outs session, and Q*Bert showed up, along with several other gaming-world things. So either Myamuto created a gaming world self that he projected into the gaming world to do this, or both gaming-world and real-world characters are in the SAME world, and with this comic, this just proves the second point is the true one.

    This is also my argument for the whole Tingle and Ray argument that I missed above. They’re not “the same”, Tingle was just at the party, invited or not (and probably invited, given that Ray seemed to regret inviting him with the beer comment).

  65. roadjcat says:

    OBjECTION!
    Ray’s Mii is not named RayMii, it is a plain and boring name.
    It is called Do’hRayMii, because it has a pun in it. Just like TimMii is a pun on ‘Timmy’, Do’hRayMii is a pun on the first three notes on the G scale, since Ray is a musician.

    Would that name even fit in the space provided for a Mii name?

  66. CKcheeseboy says:

    @tustin: not to be picky or anything, but I believe it was Sakurai and not Miyamoto. It still doesn’t change your argument, though.

    …Do’hRayMii…

    Would that name even fit in the space provided for a Mii name?

    I think so. I think the limit is 10, because I have an Akbar Mii which I *think* is named “It’sATrap!” because it just barely fit.

  67. Pi says:

    Wow. This guy’s art sucks. He should really put some time into it, or take a class, or something. And what’s up with the elbow tumors?

    (Grave risen)

  68. I’d like to offer the alternative “RayMiind” — of course, if Ray’s name isn’t short for, say, “Raymond”, then it makes no sense. =]

  69. Gadoink says:

    You know, I’ve realized something… April Fool’s day this year is on a Wednesday. Do I detect a wacky comic in the works?

  70. nintendogamer101 says:

    Hey, Ray! You stole D3vin’s speech bubbles!

    Happy birthday by the way! My cousin’s birthday is also on St. Patrick’s Day!

    (By the way, D3vin, just think of Ray stealing your speech bubbles as your little present from you to him)

    I just thought of something. If Ray’s speech bubbles are green, does that mean that Ray is a leprechaun? OH MY GOSH!! RAY IS A WERE-LEPRECHAUN!!! (must . . . restrain . . . from making a werehog joke!) Everybody hide and sacrifice Tim!!

  71. nintendogamer101 says:

    Ray is green with envy because Tim has a swimming pool full of money and he doesn’t! 🙂

  72. billtodamax says:

    Happy birthday Ray! And Metal_Link and nintendogamer101’s cousin!

  73. Gadoink says:

    Unrelated comment time:
    Remember how you were joking in Sonic Unleashed 2, Sonic would only be a Werehog and would have a sword?
    I don’t like that idea… it needs to be a WERE-SWORD. That would be so much more awesome!

  74. chriskatching says:

    I’m finally here!!

    Lemme say again:

    Hau’oli La Hanau!

    Tanjoubi Omedetou Gozaimasu!

    Maogmang Pagkamundag!

    😀

  75. Mirby says:

    Tingle? IN MAH 2P START? Actually, it works. Good job!

  76. hey soul sister says:

    wtf

  77. Techno says:

    I know its a Bit late, But happy Birthday Ray!

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