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November 27th, 2010

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RayI’m sure there will be confusion over the fact that we are posting a new comic after we officially closed the book, so I’d like to take a moment to clarify some things: This is just for kicks, so postmortem comics will abide by very different rules than the official comics of past: There is no schedule, no set artistic style, and they should only be treated as a delightful bonus. Speaking of delightful, I just finished off the Golden Temple in Donkey Kong Country Returns, and Retro Studios has really outdone themselves. This is how you do classic platforming gameplay in 2010. The entire game is dripping with excellence, and the only part that makes me sad is unlocking some of the amazing concept art that never quite made the cut.

TimWell, as mentioned in the last podcast, I felt strange calling Ray and telling him I had a comic idea. I didn’t know how he’d react, but I didn’t expect him to respond with, “I had a comic idea too!” Maybe our layoff from comics was long enough and complete enough that we’re a little hungry to put something out there again. Certainly there won’t be hard deadlines as in the past, but without the pressure, I’d imagine that the quality will remain high for whenever we do have something new to show off. Anyway, thanks for sticking around…BEYOND THE GRAVE!!!


115 Comments

  1. Undeyx says:

    Oh YEAH!

    • Underyx says:

      …and you might want to change that “LAST” button back to “LATEST”

      Here, some IRC logs 😛
      [Underyx] YAAAAAAAAAY
      [Underyx] wooo
      [Underyx] I am happy.
      [Underyx] My favouritve webcomic has returned.
      [Underyx] I can't even type
      [Underyx] http://www.2pstart.com/2010/11/27/Down/

  2. james says:

    pending website crash in 3, 2, 1…

  3. roadjcat says:

    I feel like I need to play and/or like Donkey Kong to fully get it, but at this point I really don’t care whether I get it or not. It’s nice to see another comic. 😀 And it’s been FAR too long, so sorry, gotta do it: Rouge.

  4. TheLupineOne says:

    this could be the start of something…

  5. MrSparkle07 says:

    How random is it that after months I decide to check here for any new comics and there just happens to be one published today? :D!!

  6. jacob says:

    you know, I was cleaning out my feed subscriptions the other day and came across 2p start. came very close to “unsubscribe, they’re done anyway” but I’m glad I didn’t. 🙂

  7. racefreak265 says:

    Well I guess I’ll be first to give y’all a “NCG” this time!

  8. NintendoNaut says:

    This comic used to be good.

    • Mr4lias says:

      Shame on you to say that, I have been listening to previous podcasts, only every ten or so… But loving them and the comics are…were brilliant.

      P.S Rise from my grave!

  9. Scotty_GO says:

    Can’t wait for this game to come out in the UK, it’s out the same day as the Mario All-Stars re-release so there’s 2 bouts of Nintendo love for us.

    Liked this comic, as a fan of DKC (I have original cartridges bought on release day of all 3 games!) I understand this comic perfectly. The art on the balloons balloon is great! When I have to stop and think “how the hell did he do that?” it’s usually a sign of something excellent. Great to see a new comic from you guys.

  10. yeah568 says:

    Mark doesn’t get the comic. EVERYONE PANIC.

  11. Myles says:

    You guys are gonna put 2P reSTART out of business! 😛

    Anyway, NCG.

    2P START > 2P reSTART

  12. Anon says:

    Holy poop!
    I knew you couldn’t stay out of the game for too long, though- you making another comic was inevitable.

    Glad to see you’re back!

    This comic used to be a comic *wink wink nudge nudge*

  13. JohnW says:

    *CRIES TEARS OF JOY*

  14. Blade says:

    I’ve been a 2P START! fan ever since I saw your Mario Kart comic on Deviantart long ago… But I just recently got an E-mail address, so now is my first time commenting, after the comics seemingly ended. So I’m now officially RISING FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE!!!

    • bcow1020 says:

      You JUST got an email address? It’s 2010, man.

      Anyway, was just arguing with a friend over whether or not 2P Start did a certain joke before another comic we were discussing, and look what I discovered! Glad to see you guys still appreciate us (like we ever doubted that, pfft). I’ve tried going to other comics for a few times, but I just can’t get into any others. My heart remains with 2P Start. Do more comics soon, please!

      • Blade says:

        Ha, well, I recently got an E-mail address not because I’m out of touch with technology, but because I’m pretty young and I have overprotective parents that didn’t really want me to have one.

  15. Paper_Banjokami says:

    Haven’t played the game yet, but I know balloons used to represent lives, so I’m assuming, what with the quote, that they still are and this joke is about how easy it is.

    Funny connection guys, very cool looking, and definitely delightful bonus…

    I wonder if comment of the week will come back to?!?! I praised you so I should win.

    Oh and I never got to properly grave rise either… oh boy

    • FieraDevilWings says:

      Hmm…you’re wrong on what you say. The new DKCR retains the brutality of the original three DKC games, perhaps making it easier by the fact that it has a life system where two hits are allowed for each player, but still brutal enough to give a fresh challenge to veterans of the series. The joke here represented is a new generation of life loss in DKCR – since the movie “UP” was about a pensioner who wanted to get out and see the world, really, using balloons to make his dream a reality, the balloons were coloured red for the joke of having to use many lives to complete the brutal design of levels that is Donkey Kong Country. (and why DK hangs from them, too. It’s part of the new animation after dying, where if you lose one, it changes to a black screen, with your extra life count shown in the middle and going down by one or two depending if you’re doing 1-player or 2-player, and they hang from those very balloons back up to the previous checkpoint.) Excuse me for explaining all that >.>

      • Myuu says:

        Oh, absolutely. I don’t know why I need to say this, seeing as FDW already said it, but it isn’t a joke about how easy the game is and how plentiful balloons are (although they ARE plentiful, and thank goodness for that!). It is a joke about how many lives are NEEDED to get through the ridiculous levels. No, this game is the hardest I’ve played in a long time. That glorified level skip, the Super Guide (which I don’t use) gives the designers a much needed excuse to make hard levels, since it won’t make newbs get stuck and feel alienated.

  16. Gewurztraminer says:

    It’s a zombie comic from beyond the grave! Quick, grab the shotguns and sunflower seeds!!

  17. Mr. Saxaphone says:

    Holy poop

  18. Mr. Saxaphone says:

    I now reallze how much I love you guys!!! “snif” “snif”

  19. Laelaps says:

    Awesome! I love that the comic will still continue on! As for this one…the artwork’s sweet, though I feel sick because I just don’t get it. Is there something in DKCR or in the significance of his holding all those balloons that I’m just missing?

  20. Zelos says:

    @Laelaps

    Yes…a balloon is a level-up in Donkey Kong Country. The image refers to “Up”: http://www.impawards.com/2009/posters/up.jpg

    Level-up + Up = Donkey Kong holding the balloons.

    I think it’s good x]!

  21. Myles says:

    Here’s the reSTART team’s reaction.

  22. CKcheeseboy says:

    Looks like 2P Start! just

    *sunglasses*

    rose from it’s grave.

    YEAAAAH!

  23. blaster says:

    I thought it’s a precaution of system maintain XD

  24. Imaster says:

    Wooo! More content!

    I’m glad that you guys have decided to release at least one postmortem comic… hopefully there will be more to come, slowly adding to the 2PStart archives 🙂 The comic itself was good, but mostly what it did for me was make me even more stoked for Donkey Kong Country Returns XD I’ve heard from Screwattack, GT and now here that it’s an awesome game… I am so ready for retro goodness right about now 🙂

    NCG, hope there’s more postmortem’s to come!

  25. zeldadude says:

    THE ONLY THING I CAN FEASIBLY COMPARE THIS TO IS A CROSS BETWEEN DEEJAY ATOMICA AND ADAM YOUNG. THIS IS MY NEW FAVORATE COMIC SIMPLY FOR IT’S EXISTANCE.

    • zeldadude says:

      by the way, GUESS WHAT MY SCHOOL IS SELLING IN THEIR SCHOOL “C.A.R.E” STORE.

      hint 1:cvs
      hint 2:black friday
      hint 3: you’ll be “in the zone” with it
      [spoiler]THE ZONE-FRICKIN’-40[/spoiler]

  26. mrpineapplehead says:

    this is a really good day 🙂

  27. Shimahamaru says:

    The world is at peace again.

  28. Bonzi77 says:

    :O

  29. ezo945 says:

    YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  30. BadnikHunter says:

    W….what? New 2P Start! comic? OMGWTFBBQ THIS IS THE BEST DAY EVER.

    Haha, NCG. Glad to know 2P Start! comics aren’t COMPLETELY done with.

  31. Wow, most of the people that haven’t been leaving comments on the Postmortem Podcast have RISEN FROM THEIR GRAVE and posted on this comic.

    Either way, nice comic. I was able to play DKCR and really enjoyed it. Hope to see some more of these soon! No hurry!

    ~DJG~

    • JackitK says:

      Well I never did come to 2P start for the podcast so when the comic was gone I was gone. :3 Nothing against them, I just don’t enjoy people talking for hours straight in general.

  32. Corbin Brickhouse says:

    YAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Is this gonna be weekly or is it gonna update whenever?

    • CKcheeseboy says:

      “…This is just for kicks, so postmortem comics will abide by very different rules than the official comics of past: There is no schedule…”

      from Ray’s blurb

  33. Teengamer says:

    Heck YES!!! 😀 I have waited for the day when I can say NCG once again.

    … I just KNEW you’d post a comic again. I KNEW it! How many of you “PEOPLE” think that you could pretend to have the site die? Uh-huh. I didn’t think so.

  34. JackitK says:

    Awesome comeback comic! But the quote kind of throws me off like, does it have any other purpose besides making the comic look more like a movie poster? Or is there a punchline I’m missing. It just doesn’t make sense with the rest of the comic to me.

    But awesome come back is still awesome! You could just put a single picture of Ray or Tim up, call it a comic, and fans including me would still freak out! xD

    • Myuu says:

      There very much IS a punchline you are missing. In DKC, red balloons represent extra lives. DKCR is very hard so you die a lot. The joke is that that’s how many balloons DK needs to finish this adventure, and it is indeed necessary (and thankfully easy, due to Cranky’s shop) to rack up a massive stockpile of red balloons.

  35. TriforceBun says:

    You know you’ve made a good Nintendo comic when the first thing I think of upon seeing it is “I wish I’d thought of that.”

    As someone who’s enjoying every moment of DKCR (and who lost a good 30 balloons in 6-K alone), I got a kick out of this image. 2PStart continues to amuse us even in zombie form…bizarre…

    • Dededoo2 says:

      Hey triforcebun, I just thought that your posting logo would be a lot cooler if it had Kirby pushing tim and ray aside or standin between them.

      Also,NCG GUYS! I love it and understood it well. I nearly passed out when I learnt there was going to be a new comic, and I fear 2prestarts comic may be telling the truth. Also, thanks, I bet my friend $20 that you were gonna make a new comic, so now I’m richer!

      You guys are the backbone of awesome, define epic, and are the best thing since sliced bread. There is nothing that can beat you (sorry Matt), youre like the move roll out in pokemon, you come back bigger, stronger, and better. If there was a museum of best gaming webcomics, you would be there. If the president was kidnapped by ninjas, you would be there. You are everything that a webcomic is and more.
      PS: Rise From Tha Grave

    • Myuu says:

      30 balloons on 6-K? That’s nothing. I haven’t played 6-K yet, but today I lost nearly 50 on 5-K, not counting the 30 more it cost me going back through for a puzzle piece I missed.

  36. Twilight Lucario says:

    Does this mean you two just raised from your graves?

    ~~~~~~~
    The one that Ray hates.

  37. shadowhog says:

    I don’t fully get this comic, BUT ITS AWESOME. XD

  38. Dominator_101 says:

    This comic used to be dead.

  39. Well well well. I really didn’t think I’d see the day. I’ve been a long time fan of 2P Start, I don’t remember what episode I started on but it was pretty early, mid twenties maybe? I only discovered your podcast after you had closed shop on the comic and I have been listening to them, from the start of course and am on episode 93. I though it was great that I could still enjoy new (to me) episodes of 2p start after the comic had finished.

    I am in fact rising from my grave (though I’m not sure you guys still do that in the post mortems?) the reason that I haven’t commented before is that read a hell of a lot of webcomics and don’t have time to comment on all (or any) of them but I’ve been an avid reader, and now feel that I really have to comment seeing as you’ve gone to the trouble of producing another gem after I’d thought you’d closed your doors forever.

    So thanks for all the comics and podcast hijinks, I’ve really enjoyed what you guys have done with the comic, the site and the podcast, your hard work has really paid off and I hope brought you more than just our fandom and been a stepping stone to something greater

  40. Grandpalove says:

    hmmm… I had a feeling it wouldn’t be long ’til we got postmortem comics. Anyways, NCG. I don’t completely get it but, whatever.

  41. Burnflare says:

    2P START LIVES! …Kinda.

  42. ­ says:

    This comic used to be good. And it is again.

  43. PB&J Otter says:

    This poster is kinda reminds me of Pixar’s Up.

  44. SuperVegeta says:

    I don’t get it unfortunately. Nice artwork.
    My guess about its meaning is that Ray likes the game and Tim doesn’t?

  45. s1h4d0w says:

    Awesome!

    Here’s something that might interest you. We had to design and build a fictional website for a yearly festival here in the netherlands for school and I feautured Ray in the program.

    Check it out (in Dutch, just click “artiesten”)
    http://www.140designs.com/STRP

  46. PostmanAssassin says:

    Well then…

  47. Naes says:

    My Reaction:

  48. SuperVegeta says:

    Oh, I think i get it now. I only played the first, original DKC and that was 16 or so years ago. I’d forgotten you have to collect balloons. It all make sense now. 🙂 NCG

  49. Jake says:

    AHHH! ITS A ZOMBIE! The dead are walking again ;D

    \ I was feeling a bit like I needed to see your comics again, and what a surprise to find this awsome work of art. Thanks for this Post-Mortem. 🙂

  50. S.S.S.Star says:

    Grave Rising SuperSonic Shooting Star is Grave Rising.
    Although it’s not Grave Rising because I first knew about the site after 3rd Portsmortem.
    Anyway, really feels good to know you’re back(NOT CREEPY COMMENT)
    And I partially edited your wikipedia to make it maybe suckier.
    Check it and if it really is suckier, change it for the better please.
    Sorry for sucky english ’cause now you know one more international 2PSTART fan who is me living in South Korea.
    KTHNXBI

  51. vader0228 says:

    yay i knew if i keept cheaking back thare wood be a new comic

  52. Jarkes says:

    Never expected this. Looks like you guys got an extra life or something, lol.

    This is a question for Ray: How do you think Sonic 4 and Sonic Colors turned out? Did they games restore your faith in Sega? (Frankly, Sonic Colors has endless possibilities for comics…) Also, you’re probably going to hate me for this, but… I actually LIKED the Werehog in Sonic Unleashed. *is prepared for flame war*

    • Jarkes says:

      All right, you seem to address Sonic 4 and Sonic Colors on your “Spindash Podcast,” but I never have the time to listen to those. I’d like to hear your opinion directly from you. And please, no ranting. (Although, personally, I’m surprised you have problems with those two games. Are you one of those unpleaseable fans, by any chance?)

      • Ray says:

        Sonic Colors is a good game worth a rental from anyone. It just has some minor issues with stiff controls and an unbalanced scoring system. This is certainly on the right track, but I know a Sonic game can be capable of much more, and I think you probably do too.

        Sonic 4 is a poorly made game that doesn’t actually know what it wants to be. It claims to be ‘an all-new adventure’ but lacks any serious originality, breaks fundamental Sonic traditions without any kind of benefit, and doesn’t hold up to gaming standards in 2010 on many levels.

    • Ray says:

      Sonic 4 is a mess, and Sonic Colors is a good game that could use a little work. My faith is only restored in that we’re much closer to the goal of having Sonic games with the right focus and the right quality, but it’s unclear to me whether or not Sonic Team actually has the skills to inject true excellence into these projects.

      • Teengamer says:

        As usual, I 100% agree. Well said! 😀

      • SuperVegeta says:

        Ray, please answer me this question. I’ve been asking/commenting about it in a round about way on several of the podcasts and now I’m trying to be more direct. Have you played Sonic 4 on your 360 or are you still just referring to the iPhone version?

      • Ray says:

        I have played and beaten both the iPhone and 360 versions (and collected all of the achievements as well).

  53. Zoltan says:

    RISE FROM MY GRAVE!!! I’ve been a fan since blah blah blah
    COMMENT OF THE WEEK! Ray is so awesome 😀
    BLACK DOOM!!! Sonic still sucks
    MUSICAL MISFITS! I think the Zelda theme is underplayed…

  54. Victorioso says:

    Oh drats, I should have seen this earlier… now my this comic used to be good joke has been taken like 4 times… nuuuh D:

  55. cameron157 says:

    I made an account just to say this:

    I love your comics,I really do! I had only started at the comic just before the last 5,but I went back and read all of them. Without stopping! I know you probably won’t read this but, Thank You. Thank you for everything. The Comics, The Podcasts, The Pixel Vision,The Black Doom Awards,and most of all, For being Awesome.

    From A Loving Fan, Cameron157.

  56. knuxsoul says:

    Does this mean we’ll have comic talk next postmortem?

  57. Mapa says:

    I just wanted to let you guys know that I never heard of 2pstart before seeing this comic on gonintendo.com. After reading this comic, I had to read the rest of your comics and I am in the process of listening to all your podcasts. I am very impressed with your works, and surprised of how much effort and content you two produce out of your free time. If i had to pick a favorite comic, it would be this one. Not only was this beautifully well done, but it has introduced me to a new world on video game comics that I am glad to see. Too bad that I am a bit late =p

    • Myuu says:

      If you’re new to video game comics, another I suggest is “Brawl in the Family”.

      It’s about on par with this one in quality, and instead of being in a half-dead (or really, 7/8 dead) state, it updates Tuesdays and Fridays. (Although the author is currently on a 2-week break after overexerting himself on a Christmas extravaganza consisting of three musical comic strips.)

  58. Danman says:

    I have decided that because this comic exists, 2P START! isn’t TRULY dead… you just said that it’s “Dead” to remove the restricted schedule that you had while it was alive. (It probably was very hard on you to keep up with the comic and 2P START LIVE! every week, seeing as you two now have a schedule conflict.)
    this isn’t bad, however. by removing this restrictive schedule, you’re able to post whenever you feel like it! (be that hardly at all, or lots.)
    this is also good for the fans of 2P START! because their favorite comic is back up!

    um… I don’t know exactly what my point is, but I just felt like putting that out there.
    (also, I have no guilt in posting a comment again because with 2P start’s resurrection, I can comment on stuff again!)

    see ya.

  59. NaturalChemical says:

    Well, this was a pleasant surprise. Glad to see that you guys couldn’t stay away for too long.

    I understand that you mainly did this to get away from the pressure the comic gave you, but could this be the beginning of a 2P START reboot? A second season, so to speak?

    “2P START! Vol. 2: Now You’re Playing by Our Rules.”

  60. Sebby19 says:

    wow, very nice

  61. Corbin Brickhouse says:

    Hey, because of my love for Pixel Vision I started a petition to get Pixel Vision to be made into a real video game! Here’s the link: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/pixel-vison/

  62. Anon says:

    Looks likes this…
    *puts on shades*
    Is the start of something.
    YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!

  63. JohnW says:

    I seriously think this deserves a Black Doom Award in the next Podcast, whenever that may be.

    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=279596

  64. ChaosKiwi says:

    OH. GOD. YES.

    This was truly a great suprise! Great enough to make me rise from my grave! Or did I do that already? OH WELL. This is great. I am so happy now. You are officially so cool you’re awesome. That is all.

    …..YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! IT’S BACK!

  65. TheKickAwesome says:

    confession: I still check the site everyday.

      • zeldadude says:

        me too

      • Myuu says:

        I just randomly decided to check it, after several months of not doing so, to see if it was still even here… I admit I was surprised to see this, although considering it’s already been over a month since, I guess we can expect postmortems to be not only sporadic and without schedule, but extremely infrequent as well. Better than nothing though, and at least this was a good one.

  66. Myuu says:

    Yeah, this is actually quite funny. Am I the only one who gets the joke? Reading the comments, it seems almost like a repeat of “A Big Help”, where no-one got the joke because they hadn’t played NSMB yet.

  67. randomperson says:

    I just noticed this came out on my birthday!

  68. ­ says:

    Just thought I should mention that VG Cats newest comic seams to have a similar punchline to Tim’s Pool of Money.

  69. Blade says:

    Happy anniversary, 2P Start!
    We will never let this site die!!!

  70. They Call Me Mr. Awesome says:

    Hey guys I guess it’s time for me to fall into my grave…..wait…..that’s wrong. Let me try that agin. Hey guys I guess it’s time for me to RISE FROM MY GRAVE. I’ve only been listening to the podcasts for about two weeks and the comics for about a month and I’ve finally finished going through both the comic and podcasts my favorite comic was definitely the what not to do for Bowsers minions. I think I may have woke up my neighbors I was laughing so loud. Seeing as I’ve RISED FROM MY GRAVE, I want to give you guys a shout out from South Carolina. Keep up the good work guys I’m always checking back for more greatness. Thanks to Matt from BitF for bringing me to the site. Consider my grave, Risen. and for the record you can just call me Awesome. Mr. Awesome.

  71. Laelaps says:

    Wow. I JUST realized how the balloon logo with Ray & Tim symbolizes how this is like an extra life for you guys. Took me long enough.

  72. shyguy22 says:

    Please make a new comic! Man, I check this site every day!

  73. shyguy22 says:

    Well I’ve never commented in a long time…
    guess that means I’m RISING FROM MY GRAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Oh, by the way, you guys should make a video game and a movie! I bet both would sell well!

  74. shyguy22 says:

    This is my favorite site!

  75. Theguywhowantsutomakecomics says:

    Seriously guys! MAKE MOAR COMIX! WE MISS U!

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