2P START! Live!: Two Years Old Edition

Live!

RayIt’s hard to believe we’ve been doing webcomics for two years, so we put a little extra love into this excellent podcast. We touch on a good number of segments including Black Doom Award and REMIX!, but even ‘perform’ our bonus comic and reveal Toad’s 24-year-old mean-spirited secret.

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54 Comments

  1. Kvb says:

    Numbers are useful, keep them in. Removing them would just fool yourself and others into thinking it’s not dragging on, anyway.
    Don’t you guys stop, though! I won’t let you!

    Aha! Finally, we get an official statement on the Musical Misfits. Thanks for that.

    Wait, you editted out the Toad’s fingers? I KNEW there was something odd about it…

    OH NO THEY DI’N’T. I freaking LOVE Sonic 3 & Knuckles! That is a Black Doom Award well deserved!

  2. Tacos says:

    Those were some interesting performances… never knew you liked the comic that much. And a live audience??

    And from what I can tell, microphones have improved drastically over the past 2 years.

    I made the connection as well, just because Cupid was in my head after seeing the Duck Hunt one.

    Haha, flipping the bird. Reminded me of the Flight of the Conchords episode.

    Shadow was an abomination. Ok, my first one was the Patapon one. Woah, weird that you already mentioned it in this podcast.

    Silly Sega. Hey, I mentioned the Winter Olympics. But let’s be honest, gameplay probably won’t save the game. The only thing that would save it would be …… ok, nothing would fit in that blank.

  3. Kvb says:

    I gave my Musical Misfit submission some thought, and I’ve decided to go with The Temple of Droplets, from The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap this time.
    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EE21FUF7
    Again, with a YouTube backup link:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcjcKZnJqAA

  4. Kvb says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcjcKZnJqAA&fmt=18
    Better quality.

    Sorry about the double post. I would edit the last post if I could.
    Since you guys got this account thing started, you really ought to work on a feature that lets you edit your own posts. At least for a short while after posting.

  5. ubuntun3rd says:

    I say keep the numbers on the podcast names. Once you started it, you might as well keep it. I know some podcasts that started without numbers, and now they do it to keep track (they’re a daily podcast, though, in the 800’s so it made sense to keep track of which episode they were on.)

    Also, I’ll try to resist making an IP switcher bot to click on the contest link.

  6. ubuntun3rd says:

    Also, I know this is unrelated, but I just looked back at the archives and I noticed a few things about the Oregon Trail comic:

    1. The “tile icon” thing for the comic in the archives is a picture that isn’t from any part of the comic! There’s no tree in any of the panels.

    2. The format of the calendar almost exactly matches the look of the new iPhone site that Tim is working on. (At least the “January 2009” part.)

    OK. Now I got that all out so I can sleep.

  7. ubuntun3rd says:

    How old is Lace, Ray? She’s available. I think.

  8. sheppy says:

    Yay, in before huge list so I can make my own.

    1. I wouldn’t happen to be one of those naysayers, would I? Normally if I don’t like the comic, I don’t comment to avoid coming off as a prat.

    2. It’s only named Sonic’s Ultimate Genesis Collection in the US. The Sonic name isn’t needed to peddle this stuff in other regions. Also, you should give it a fair shake. They’ve actually done a HUGE service to the games in general and while “Game X is missing ZOMG,” what they have there is not only very well emulated but also in one of the cleanest damn interfaces ever in a classic compilation. Also, unlike previous collections, this one supports save state functionality from emulators. I mean, cmon. Phantasy Star and Shining Force all in one comp along with Dynamite Heady AND all three Streets of Rage and you’re complaining about the ONE Sonic Game that didn’t make the cut? Might as well start complaining that Ecco Jr is missing too.

    3. Actually, ChuChuRocket is the first Flash game ever to see a retail release on Dreamcast. So while you say “it’s the sucky Flash version,” that’s exactly the same version on Dreamcast.

  9. Ray says:

    Might as well start complaining that Ecco Jr is missing too.

    What?! Ecco Jr. is missing too?! 😉

    3. Actually, ChuChuRocket is the first Flash game ever to see a retail release on Dreamcast. So while you say “it’s the sucky Flash version,” that’s exactly the same version on Dreamcast.

    I don’t understand this statement. Could you elaborate more for me so I don’t try to discuss something I may not be understanding correctly?

  10. Yes, we are all nerds.

    I would say keep the numbers on the podcast, it just makes it easier to go back and see which ones have been missed in case someone misses a week or something like that.

    Congrats on the 2 years!

    Hey Ray, I’m a girl and I’m twenty-three! :3

  11. sheppy says:

    Basically it’s like this. There IS no non-Flash version of ChuChu Rocket. Tim complained about the version of ChuChu Rocket being on that website was the Flash version. Dreamcast runs Flash natively as Sega Swirl (another Flash game on the Dreamcast) can attest. ChuChu Rocket was never a properly coded for Dreamcast game.

    Also, yes yes… we all miss Ecco Jr.
    *boots Space Harrier out of the Extras menu*
    I’m sure I’ll find something else to help me mourn the loss…

  12. Ray says:

    Basically it’s like this. There IS no non-Flash version of ChuChu Rocket. Tim complained about the version of ChuChu Rocket being on that website was the Flash version. Dreamcast runs Flash natively as Sega Swirl (another Flash game on the Dreamcast) can attest. ChuChu Rocket was never a properly coded for Dreamcast game.

    I distinctly remember Chu Chu Rocket on the Dreamcast being made up of actual 3D polygons, but you spent 99% of the game looking at them from a top-down view so it only looked 2D. So until you can prove your case with evidence for me to read, then I’m going to have trouble believing you….

    Hey Ray, I’m a girl and I’m twenty-three! :3

    Get out of town…. really? Man… I would like to think that one relationship with a stranger made over the internet was enough with Tim, but…….

  13. roadjcat says:

    This was another podcast where I jotted a few things down, but honestly, there’s not much reason for me to post them. So I’ll just say that I’m happy the podcast was 40 minutes again and that there were quite a few laughs. That said, there needs to be more controversy! I miss my gigantic posts! XD

    Oh and Musical Misfits suggestion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJKTl-_4E0

    Remix suggestion (because that’s apparently an option now): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6cXiZJve5U

  14. Napman1 says:

    Yay, I my Musical Misfit was picked, thanks guy’s. 😀 Great Podcast, I knew about Sonic 3 and Knuckles not being on that collection thing, really makes me mad how easily it was done on Mega Collection, but not this. Especially when it could’ve been done in only a few hours of coding to code the lock-on stuff.

    I thought the Spindash podcast was pretty good, my only problem was that they kept talking about the Comic, which I read, but I (and I assume it’s true) that none of the story is Canon.

    Also, I don’t know if you guy’s knew about this, but there’s this thing called “Project RINGO” that SEGA has shown to the public. (as seen here! – http://sega.jp/project_ringo/ ) It’s obviously tapping it’s foot like Sonic, so maybe it’s a new 2-D inspired game.

  15. Get out of town…. really? Man… I would like to think that one relationship with a stranger made over the internet was enough with Tim, but…….

    Heh :3
    It’d be neat to chat it up with ya sometime.

    And now…I’ll stop flirting and get back to work 😛

  16. A. You could always cap off the numbering at an even 100? hm. maybe not.
    B. Nice Remix but I’ll definitely have to download it because the clip went by pretty quick (given the length of the podcast, that’s alright I suppose).
    C. Ironically, my first thought WAS “how would I print out the ValentiNES?” I just used some photo paper, though, and it came out pretty nice =]
    D. I’m not deluded, just brainwashed, er, what?
    E. Musical Misfits: Mysteries Made Manifest!
    F. Sonic 3 & Knuckles was the best version. Doomsday Zone? Awesome. Hopefully the Wii’s VC service will have some kind of solution if, and when, S&K is released because I’ve got Sonic 3 for VC. If not, it’s back to my PC version I got from Jack in the Box. For $2. Like, 10 years ago.
    G. And my Musical Misfit vote for next week:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1fizUybPXc

  17. steve-ohs says:

    Yay, Comment of the week again, I’m on a roll!!

    Anyways, awesome podcast again! Everyweek I wonder how they are going to do a better podcast, and each week it improves and improves. At some point, there will be a limit where it can improve no longer and any podcasts after will be a bitter dissapointment for long-time listeners. You should stop numbering them at that point.

  18. sheppy says:

    I distinctly remember Chu Chu Rocket on the Dreamcast being made up of actual 3D polygons, but you spent 99% of the game looking at them from a top-down view so it only looked 2D. So until you can prove your case with evidence for me to read, then I’m going to have trouble believing you….

    Gah, I looked it up in one of my old game design books and it seems I was mistaken. Time for me to eat crow. Here’s how I got confused. The game was prototyped in Flash and even all the levels were designed in Flash (thus why the browser bashed Flash demo on Seganet was essentially the full game. Sega Swirl IS Flash but Sega, at the time, was bragging about how the ease of Flash allowed them to prototype the design very quickly.

    In essence, I’m wrong and stupid….

  19. D3vin says:

    The hiccups? Wiiiissse from your gw-*hiccup*-ave.

    The middle finger?! The nes games are known for having hidden meanings, nudity, etc. So that isn’t that much of a surprise

    Don’t worry, I have a computer, my dad has one, On the plus side, My dad knows how to run the proxys and stuff. One Billion Clicks are coming right up.

    I have a real Genesis, with my REAL Sonic 3, locked on to my REAL Sonic and Knuckles carts.
    That’s all I need

  20. Ray says:

    In essence, I’m wrong and stupid….

    No, you’re not. Thanks for double-checking for me. That would have blown my mind if true.

  21. roadjcat says:

    Oh yeah…if you asked me to chose between Shadow and Sonic and the Secret Rings, I’d pick Shadow. I couldn’t play Secret Rings for more than a couple minutes. I finished Shadow a couple of times. Quite a few “Who though that was a good idea!?” moments, but the gameplay was fine IMO, but yeah whatever, this is really just to give some relevance to this: “Rouge”.

  22. D3vin says:

    this is really just to give some relevance to this: “Rouge”.

    You mean Sonic Team’s futile attempt to get Hormone-raged teens to play more Sonic games.. Cough, Cough, SheHasImplants Cough

    No,
    It would be like giving umm…. Enhancements to one of the males to get females to play more Sonics.

  23. CKcheeseboy says:

    Haha, I loved the acting out of your comics, especially the soap opera one. I also liked the Toad thing…reminds me of the Strong Bad email where he talks about flipping the bird with boxing gloves on. For those who haven’t seen it, here’s roughly the main joke I like (spoilered because you should really watch it here since it would be funnier):
    [spoiler]Strong Bad: “Hey, Homestar!” (gives him the bird inside his boxing gloves)
    Homestar: “Right back atcha, Strong Bad!”
    Strong Bad: “He just gave me the bird!” (gets depressed)[/spoiler]

    Oh yeah…if you asked me to chose between Shadow and Sonic and the Secret Rings, I’d pick Shadow…

    Really? I never played Shadow, but I thought SatSR was decent. Some of the controls were a bit frustrating, but I didn’t think they were bad enough to warrant not playing. 99% of the minigames (that I played; couldn’t stand to do them all) are terrible, but if you’ve played the carpet-pulling one with a couple of people, it’s AWESOME!

    Wait what, I thought we were delusional fans, not diluted.

    I think they said “deluded”, not “diluted”. I was trying to come up with a chem joke to go along with that, but I couldn’t, so I’ll just leave you with this other chem joke I like:

    “If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the precipitate.” (getting that joke gives you +10 nerd points)

  24. steve-ohs says:

    *Gets +10 nerd points* But I better understand it since I’m a chem major.
    Now I have to spend all day trying to think up a Chem joke with Diluted.

  25. Noodle says:

    Yes. Payable to…..?

    Actually kinda curious, Do you guys remember what you talked about in the podcasts?

  26. Ray says:

    Actually kinda curious, Do you guys remember what you talked about in the podcasts?

    Oh yes. I end up hearing the entire show multiple times from editing.

  27. roadjcat says:

    You mean Sonic Team’s futile attempt to get Hormone-raged teens to play more Sonic games.. Cough, Cough, SheHasImplants Cough

    0_o

    Yeah, I know. That’s probably what it was, but I think she’s an interesting character. Like I said, I haven’t played many Sonic games, so my next statement might be completely moot, but she really seems to be the only one who got any sort of character development…’cept maybe Shadow, but that was just too over the top.

  28. ultimateDK says:

    WHAT??!?! Uncle Chuck??? That’s as good as having said Knuckles or Dr.Robotnik…Ray, how could you??

    And seriously, I’d pay $50 for a Genesis Collection with Sonic 3 & Knuckles, all the other Sonic games, and a handful of like 5 of the “ultimate” Genesis games than this crappy $30 collection. Ugh.

    And, I got your Remix suggestion here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cA06uWV_-c&feature=channel_page

    and your Musical Misfits suggestion here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_-HvB3zbC4&feature=related

  29. D3vin says:

    You mean Sonic Team’s futile attempt to get Hormone-raged teens to play more Sonic games.. Cough, Cough, SheHasImplants Cough

    0_o
    Yeah, I know. That’s probably what it was, but I think she’s an interesting character. Like I said, I haven’t played many Sonic games, so my next statement might be completely moot, but she really seems to be the only one who got any sort of character development…’cept maybe Shadow, but that was just too over the top.

    Yeah, You got me there, but that is just like saying that Luigi has more development than Mario. Both the Sonic and Mario series have little to no character development or backstory. Only the previous games count as canon, and that too is a tangled mess of conflicting storylines.

  30. Dominator_101 says:

    Nice podcast. The only problem with your suggestion of doing a completely random one is that most of the people who would listen to it would have listened to this one.

    Anyways, Musical Misfit suggestion. They are from the awesome PC game Jazz Jackrabbit 2. I picked two of them:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlgeS_Sxkh0&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qFrKruMpGg&feature=channel

  31. roadjcat says:

    Both the Sonic and Mario series have little to no character development or backstory.

    Exactly. Which is why when one does get character development, it makes them awesome (see Rouge and Rosalina). 🙂

  32. CKcheeseboy says:

    *Gets +10 nerd points* But I better understand it since I’m a chem major.

    Cool, I’m a chemical engineering major myself.

  33. sheppy says:

    Exactly. Which is why when one does get character development, it makes them awesome (see Rouge and Rosalina).

    And you were JUST arguing the other day that story isn’t important… tsk tsk.

  34. D3vin says:

    Exactly. Which is why when one does get character development, it makes them awesome (see Rouge and Rosalina).

    And you were JUST arguing the other day that story isn’t important… tsk tsk.

    Good characters are good to any plot, no matter how small it is.
    It is better than “Wario’s long lost brother that just appeared to be his Tennis Doubles partner”

    Who knew when you first played Sonic Adventure 2 that Rouge was working for the government? I didn’t. I don’t like Mario Galaxy because it revolves (pun intended) around you flying off of planets and stuff. I want my platforming on the ground.

  35. *Gets +10 nerd points* But I better understand it since I’m a chem major.

    Cool, I’m a chemical engineering major myself.

    ditto!

  36. *Gets +10 nerd points* But I better understand it since I’m a chem major.
    Now I have to spend all day trying to think up a Chem joke with Diluted.

    Dilution is the Solution to Pollution!
    [spoiler]Protip: No it isn’t![/spoiler]

  37. roadjcat says:

    And you were JUST arguing the other day that story isn’t important… tsk tsk.

    I still hold to that. It’s not important, but yes, of course, it helps. I’m not sure if the characters really made the games any better though, because I still very much think Mario Galaxy is overrated and that a lot of Rouge’s stages were incredibly annoying.

  38. CKcheeseboy says:

    *Gets +10 nerd points* But I better understand it since I’m a chem major.

    Cool, I’m a chemical engineering major myself.

    ditto!

    Heh, cool.

    I’m actually procrastinating Fluids homework right now X_X that class is so confusing…

    But I came up with a (lame) dilution joke:
    “Did you hear about the guy who says he has a mixture of pure awesome and water?”
    “Yeah, but I heard it’s really just dilutions of grandeur.”

  39. MetaRidleyR27 says:

    Man, I’ve been behind lately. First I’ll go to say Nice Podcast Guys for last week’s podcast, and Great Podcast Guys for this week! I can’t honestly remember all of the things I was going to say, but I do have a couple of questions.

    First of all, whatever happened to Trivia for Two and Trivia for You? I think this may have been asked before, but I’m not entirely sure. I rather miss those segments. 🙁

    Also, is there any chance that we can get a downloadable version of the 2P START! theme? After listening to The King of Speed (or Rolling Start, not really sure), I didn’t realize that there was a bigger difference between the two songs than just the lyrics. It’d be really cool for me to be able to listen to the entire thing without it being cut off by the podcast.

    Anyway, this is a rather short comment, but don’t worry! I should be back on top of things next week. 🙂

  40. roadjcat says:

    First of all, whatever happened to Trivia for Two and Trivia for You? I think this may have been asked before, but I’m not entirely sure. I rather miss those segments.

    I’m with you on that. Especially because I came at the end of Trivia For Two and by that point Trivia For You had already ended…

  41. StinkyCheese says:

    Even though I’ve been reading 2P Start from the beginning, I’ve never commented, or listened to the podcast. Rise from your grave, etc. etc.

    Anyways, I really enjoyed the whole thing and I’ll be coming back for more next week. Thanks a lot guys!

  42. DrOswald says:

    Here, Ray, you need better dramatic chords. http://instantchord.isgreat.org/Index.html

    I personally like the use of video game midi for the background sound and music for 2P Start Live. While these are great sound effects, they don’t really reflect the 2P Start Live feeling. But that is just my opinion.

    Comment on the Podcast:

    I expect 2P Start to do what no one else does because they never swear, they never use excessive violence, and the characters they use (comic Tim and Ray) are not stupid, selfish, or vulgar. 2P Start is unique because they do not rely on the common crutches of gaming comics. This alone sets 2P Start apart from other comics. It doesn’t hurt that the stuff you find here is usually pretty good.

    I get the feeling from the last few podcast that you try to avoid Tim and Ray humor in the comic. I would personally like to see more of comic Tim and Ray. They are fun characters.

    My humble submission for musical misfits:

    I would love to see “Trivia for You” make a come back.

    Listening to the “Rise from your grave!” reminded me of the old black doom “The end is near!” that we don’t hear anymore. What happened to that?

  43. DrOswald says:

    For some reason my musical misfits didn’t work. here is the URL

    http://beemp3.com/download.php?file=3095924&song=Aqua+Vistas

  44. CKcheeseboy says:

    I expect 2P Start to do what no one else does because they never swear, they never use excessive violence, and the characters they use (comic Tim and Ray) are not stupid, selfish, or vulgar. 2P Start is unique because they do not rely on the common crutches of gaming comics. This alone sets 2P Start apart from other comics. It doesn’t hurt that the stuff you find here is usually pretty good.

    A couple of other good clean webcomics are F@nboy$ (although his updates have been sparse recently) and Brawl in the Family, which I found not too long ago but has probably already become one of my favorite webcomics. As the name suggests, a lot of it is Nintendo related, with Kirby being the main focus. Just thought you might want to check either of them out.

  45. Moonjuice7 says:

    BooYah! comment of the week on the two year anniversary podcast. Happy (belated) birthday 2pstart.

  46. roadjcat says:

    A couple of other good clean webcomics are F@nboy$ (although his updates have been sparse recently)

    Agreed, though Awkward Zombie is good if you like randomness. Not trying to detract from 2P START! though. XD

  47. moonjuice7 says:

    I’ll check out fanboys (if i can tear myself away from 2pstart) also digital unrest is usually decent and of course BATSRPG be lewelyk (whose name i probably misspelled. sorry) Also i get +15 nerdy points for getting both chem jokes, even though i’m not a chem major. And in conclusion 2pstart is awesome for all the reasons dr. oswald listed.

  48. CKcheeseboy says:

    A couple of other good clean webcomics are F@nboy$ (although his updates have been sparse recently)

    Agreed, though Awkward Zombie is good if you like randomness. Not trying to detract from 2P START! though. XD

    Oh yeah, forgot about that one. Although I don’t usually get the WoW jokes, but at least she does some Zelda ones occasionally…unlike some people. 😛 Seriously, there’s been what, one Zelda-specific comic here?

    But I do notice that usually I find cleaner comics funnier than ones with excessive profanity and stuff. Even stuff like homestarrunner.com (not a webcomic, but sitll) is awesome, and that’s clean.

  49. If you think Awkward Zombie is random and F@nboy$ is sparse, Dresden Codak has both of them beat in each category; by about 100 fold.

    Just my two cents.

  50. zeldario says:

    If you guys are getting so many requests for musical misfits why don’t you just make a second podcast devoted entirely to video game music you would only need to introduce the song so It wouldn’t take much time to record. hell, you could even just have chapters with the name of the song so you wouldn’t even need to record anything. If you put musical misfits threw in Rika-Rika-Remix and added a few other segments it would be a pretty badass podcast

  51. Ray says:

    If you guys are getting so many requests for musical misfits why don’t you just make a second podcast devoted entirely to video game music you would only need to introduce the song so It wouldn’t take much time to record. hell, you could even just have chapters with the name of the song so you wouldn’t even need to record anything. If you put musical misfits threw in Rika-Rika-Remix and added a few other segments it would be a pretty badass podcast

    Thanks for the suggestion, zeldario. I don’t have any plans to roll out some sort of secondary podcasts at this point, though…. I’m not sure I want to distill content from our usual podcast unless there was a really, really good reason for it.

  52. CKcheeseboy says:

    If you guys are getting so many requests for musical misfits why don’t you just make a second podcast devoted entirely to video game music you would only need to introduce the song so It wouldn’t take much time to record. hell, you could even just have chapters with the name of the song so you wouldn’t even need to record anything. If you put musical misfits threw in Rika-Rika-Remix and added a few other segments it would be a pretty badass podcast

    Thanks for the suggestion, zeldario. I don’t have any plans to roll out some sort of secondary podcasts at this point, though…. I’m not sure I want to distill content from our usual podcast unless there was a really, really good reason for it.

    Well, if people want a second podcast and they also want an unedited podcast, how about this: you take all of the parts that get edited out, compile them together (without context clues from the real podcast), and make a secondary podcast out of that.

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