2P START! Live!: Blackest Of Nights Edition

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RayIn this episode you’ll hear: Whether or not Ray broke down and played Sonic and the Black Knight (place your bets now), a failed performance of a comic that never was, three Black Doom awards, Ray really annoying Tim, horrible (or are they awesome?) ideas for the next Sonic storybook setting, and M4A listeners can even look at some horrendous Chip/Werehog concept art.

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  1. D3vin says:

    First post, 1:45 in the morning…( I work NiGHTS, get used to it. 😉 )
    This is way better than going to bed.

    Only 30 more podcasts, here’s hoping!!!

    @Sega Sonic Nerd:
    When they win, we lose, and Sega profits, and we die a little inside.

    That’s No GOOD!
    I think Sonic Should pass on, Real hedgehogs only live 7 or 8 years, and he’s almost 20….

    Sonic versions of The Bible (old and new testiment) the Koran, and all of the other holy books that they have religions on.
    Die infidels! Sonic says so!

    I suggest you guys get a divorce, the magic isn’t there anymore, and the children (ie, ME) are suffering…

    …a bunch of those chip sketches look a lot like those old animals that come out of the badniks from the genesis days…

  2. Early podcast, nice; I’ll be out of town later today so this works out well.

  3. Supersonic24 says:

    I think he’ll be in the Old West next. *Creepy fans* Yeah! Shadow’s not the only one who can hold a gun! *Creepy fans get shot*

  4. Thanks for the early podcast!

    I have to say both Tim and Ray sounded like two children who needed to be separated so that they would quit bothering each other.

    I would say Sonic is going to be… I don’t know, but the idea of an undersea adventure or the Old Testament is just genius. Perhaps he will be in an aerial adventure.

  5. Lilguitarist says:

    Nice Podcast guys. Good length and funny banter.

    I’m thinking maybe Robin Hood or Treasure Island for the next Sonic Storybook thing.

    To be fair, no one really cares anymore *goes back to playing S3&K*

  6. Lilguitarist says:

    Oh, and Tim’s laugh in the outtake; classic!

  7. igorpwnweed says:

    Next game, War themed. It will be Call of Werehog Warrior! You play as a normal Sonic and werehog Sonic with a gun AND a sword! There will be such dramatic moments as Sonic seeing Tails die in his arms on the war field, swearing revenge on Shadow-Botnik for killing him. Knuckles will betray you, and a dramatic love triangle (or square) occurs between Sonic, Amy, Blaze and Chip.

    Comment from SegaLover$3&@:
    Wow! This will be amazing! I thought the most touching moment in the trailer was when Chip begged Sonic to press the X button to fire his gun. The choices and sacrifices sonic has to make…

  8. zijjh says:

    hmm, a new Sonic game, I think it would take place in the Xena nd Hercules universe, with Sonic as herculies and Amy as Xena. She woulld jump and leam all over the place and use her hammer as a sword and he could look like a mini-hulk and eliminate all running, and replace it with a Prince of Persia style fighting system. OMG it would be AWESOME!!!

    Wait, no, my eyes and hands would rash just from the thought.

  9. DrOswald says:

    This is the only podcast I know that can talk about how Sonic games still suck for a half hour and actually be worth listening to.

    My bet is that they do a crappy Star Wars rip off for the next Sonic. A future quote from Sonic Team: “The sword mechanic from Sonic and the Black Knight was a big hit among both long time fans and newcomers to the Sonic franchise. We hope to build on that success in our next game, which will be set in an exciting science fiction universe where sonic will fight against an evil empire using a laser sword.” His new friend will be a creature closely resembling an ewok named Cherry.

    I agree that the Gamestop CEO made a jerk of himself with that comment, but it probably wouldn’t have come to light if the gaming community at large didn’t hate Gamestop so much. I don’t really get it. No one has ever given me a good reason why I should hate them that much.

  10. Lilguitarist says:

    Sonic’s only saving grace is 2D. Remake the originals with 3D graphics.

    No new storylines, no c*$ppy new characters, no bad game mechanics, just a proper, good Sonic game.

    Please Sega, I implore you; see the error of your ways, if not for you then do it for the children!

    WON’T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!?!?!

  11. Kvb says:

    Three Black Doom Awards? Awesome!

    My, you guys. You’re just flying at eachother’s throats now.
    Don’t start pulling any punches just yet. Us fans need to place bets first.

    Musical Misfit:
    This one is very recent for my doing, but I couldn’t resist. I love it!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu93_tjV-PE&fmt=18
    It’s the final boss theme of Viewtiful Joe 2. Sorry about the voice acting bit at the beginning. I can’t get it without. Even the official OST has voice acting at the beginning of the track.

  12. Supersonic24 says:

    Guys, come on. Really. You seem to hate the kind of Sonic fans who like new things. Now, I’m sorry, but the kind of Sonic fan I hate is you, Ray. Don’t get me wrong, you’re comics are funny, but you seem like the kind of guy who won’t accept anything new. If the Werehog was improved, what’s the problem with bringing him back, BTW I do think an all day-style game would be great. Improve the camera and make the combat more fluid, you’ve got a winner. Besides, you misread my post, I meant that they barely ever make sequels, and they’re not stupid. They planned to make a Shadow the Hedgehog 2, but when they saw the reaction, the Idea was scrapped. Sonic, unlike Pokemon/Animal Crossing, gives you a new game every time. Sonic Team tries new things, hence why I like them more then Nintendo (the fact that Nintendo only cares about casual gamers doesn’t help either.).

  13. D3vin says:

    Sonic, unlike Pokemon/Animal Crossing, gives you a new game every time. Sonic Team tries new things, hence why I like them more then Nintendo (the fact that Nintendo only cares about casual gamers doesn’t help either.).

    I just hate how the storybook series just took a Nintendo gimmick (being stuck in a book) and ran with it, making a game for the watered down Nintendo players.

  14. GX Echidna says:

    Guys, come on. Really. You seem to hate the kind of Sonic fans who like new things. Now, I’m sorry, but the kind of Sonic fan I hate is you, Ray. Don’t get me wrong, you’re comics are funny, but you seem like the kind of guy who won’t accept anything new. If the Werehog was improved, what’s the problem with bringing him back, BTW I do think an all day-style game would be great. Improve the camera and make the combat more fluid, you’ve got a winner.

    I apologize, but I have to bash this. I hope you understand.

    1. New things are great. I have no doubt in my mind that Ray loves new things, as most of us do. However, understand this about the Sonic series. New things are great, with polish. Historically, Sega has not been known for bringing things up to the spit-shine quality that Nintendo is famous for, or for making drastic improvements on the mistakes they’ve made in the past. I can’t imagine them starting now. Unique or not, a turd molded into a beautiful sculpture may be something new, but that doesn’t change the smell. (Clarification: I’m using turd solely for the purpose of the metaphor, not to compare Sonic games to turds.)

    2. My understanding of Ray’s argument was this: This game is not unique. Is the setting anything new? Only for a Sonic game, but medieval worlds are certainly not uncommon. (Though, some of the locales do seem impressive) What about the gameplay? Imprecise motion controls for a sword? Yes, I’m pretty sure that’s been done. A Sonic game that halts the flow of the game with imprecise combat? Let’s see, Sonic Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Unleashed… See a pattern here?

    3. Again, unique things are great, but Sega has diluted what it did best in Sonic’s 2D outings. It feels like every new Sonic game throws out everything from the previous and starts from scratch. You’ll certainly get a different product each time, but once you’ve made that product, you’re not perfecting it. The ideal Sonic game would take everything that was done right in previous games, and both focus and fine-tune upon that, maybe with some new features that only compliment the gameplay rather than divert attention away from it.

    I’m going to use the Sonic Genesis series as my example of a proper evolution:
    Sonic 1 – Platforming that allows you to build a certain amount of momentum.
    Sonic 2 – Compliment that momentum by allowing you to access it with a Spindash while building levels that take advantage of it.
    Sonic 3/& Knuckles – Add a greater sense of depth to the world. Give the player access to momentum, but punish the player for using it recklessly, and reward the player for using it effectively.

    We who want Sonic to return to classic 2D want it done for a reason. It returns Sonic to what he was best at. From there, it’s a matter of taking one step at a time to build onto that formula again until Sonic is a franchise we can look at with pride.

    In closing, I also want to say that I don’t think Ray dislikes Sonic fans who like the new takes on Sonic. I think he dislikes that Sonic fans are too quick to accept every new idea as a good idea (if I’m wrong, Ray, please correct me). If keep giving Sega a Get Out Of Jail Free card for every new Sonic game, what motivation do they have to make the series better.

  15. GX Echidna says:

    Dear lord! I knew it was going to be long, but not that long!

  16. Comatose811 says:

    I can’t believe you guys missed it. The most amazing storybook Sonic game would be “Sonic and the Great Gatsby”; a tragic tale of a young hedgehog who achieves a life of material success to get the girl of his dreams, but it all crashes down on him, resulting in his, and the franchise’s, untimely death, as told by Nick “Tails” Carraway.

  17. Comatose811 says:

    I can’t believe you guys missed it. The most amazing storybook Sonic game would be “Sonic and the Great Gatsby”; a tragic tale of a young hedgehog who achieves a life of material success to get the girl of his dreams, but it all crashes down on him, resulting in his, and the franchise’s, untimely death, as told by Nick “Tails” Carraway.

  18. DrOswald says:

    I can’t believe you guys missed it. The most amazing storybook Sonic game would be “Sonic and the Great Gatsby”; a tragic tale of a young hedgehog who achieves a life of material success to get the girl of his dreams, but it all crashes down on him, resulting in his, and the franchise’s, untimely death, as told by Nick “Tails” Carraway.

    I take my hat off to you, good sir (or madam?)

  19. GX Echidna says:

    Sonic & the Dictionary.
    You’re followed around by a lower-case ‘v’ in parenthesis named “Verby.”
    In the end, you collect all the seven magical Sentence Fragments to become Participle Sonic so that you can defeat the evil Lord Latin Root.

  20. D3vin says:

    Sonic & the Dictionary.
    You’re followed around by a lower-case ‘v’ in parenthesis named “Verby.”
    In the end, you collect all the seven magical Sentence Fragments to become Participle Sonic so that you can defeat the evil Lord Latin Root.

    I smell a fan-game, Any takers?

  21. roadjcat says:

    Okay so I listened to this on my iPod in the car. And yes I still took notes and yes I have to remember what I was thinking about 11 or so hours ago. Fun. XD

    1. I think it was a breath of relief for all of us when you said you hadn’t played it yet. XD Kidding…sort of.

    2. I say the mistake in the score goes to Secret Rings…it should be lower.

    3. Ok, a medieval theme is like the epitome of spiffy. Just look at Warcraft, Fire Emblem, and Castle Crashers! Well actually Castle Crashers is kinda weird…it has aliens too. *pokes avatar*

    4. What are your opinions on Braid, Tim?

    5. Morals in a Sonic game? When did Sonic games become a fable?

    6. I think there should be a tropical island/and or amazon sonic. It could star Rouge as the main (amazon) character.

    7. Like I said earlier, one of my favorite moments from the podcast this season is the Internal Server Error.

    8. Oh. You’re podcast had (ironically) a fake ending just like the latest Sonic game!

    9. Ray annoys Tim image = awesome

    10. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about Penny Arcade…not the most family friendly site. XD

    11. Okay I just thought this and I want to know if I’m right because it’s going to bug me: Is the Rise From Your Grave background music from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door?

    12. Yup, that’s some pretty weird concept art…

    13. WHAT!? Why didn’t Prince of Persia get a BDA?

    14. Gamestop doesn’t need a bailout…they need a bellout. *long pause* Wow that was a bad joke.

    15. Okay this has got to be the weirdest thing ever: The musical misfit sounded kinda Metroid-y at first and then it got really upbeat…then I started picturing Dark Suit Samus dancing. 0_o Then it started to sound kind of Ace Attorney-ish and then I started picturing the AJ characters dancing. I’m very weird…I must’ve been tired.

    16. Musical Misfit suggestions (yes plural, If I can only suggest one, then I suggest the first one): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S86Kk-coMOw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb7MHAhzBwY

    I still think any song from that game is really the epitome of a musical misfit. I doubt really anyone has heard those songs or otherwise someone would’ve posted them online before me.

    Well that’s it this time.

  22. sheppy says:

    Sonic, unlike Pokemon/Animal Crossing, gives you a new game every time. Sonic Team tries new things, hence why I like them more then Nintendo (the fact that Nintendo only cares about casual gamers doesn’t help either.).

    I just hate how the storybook series just took a Nintendo gimmick (being stuck in a book) and ran with it, making a game for the watered down Nintendo players.

    Uh…. Nintendo isn’t the first one ever to do this. I seem to recall a text adventure on Apple IIe even.

  23. D3vin says:

    Uh…. Nintendo isn’t the first one ever to do this. I seem to recall a text adventure on Apple IIe even.

    It seemed like a nintendo gimmick because of Paper Mario, Yoshi’s story and Yoshi Topsy turvy having the whole book thing.

    I also mentioned how watered down Nintendo-only Sonics are to their other system counterparts…

  24. RedVinnie says:

    i am nominating this song for musical misfits:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhWvs0rccAI
    it is spectacular. btw, great podcast. i dont like it when you two fight, but it thought the ray annoys tim pic on the podcast was hysterical. i laughed my tuchus off! maybe we can do this again sometime!

  25. nintendogamer101 says:

    When you say about GameStop not giving you very much money for your games, I found that somewhat surprising. I just recently took a bunch of old GameCube games that I played when I was little (Nickelodeon, Disney, etc.) to GameStop and they gave me about $160 worth of store credit. Does this surprise anyone?

  26. roadjcat says:

    i am nominating this song for musical misfits:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhWvs0rccAI
    it is spectacular. btw,

    WOO! Paper Mario song! It was actually pretty funny, in my search to see if the Rise From Your Grave music was actually from Paper Mario, I came across the song and actually thought that it might make for a good musical misfit. XD

  27. roadjcat says:

    Oh and D3vin, you didn’t just call Paper Mario a gimmick right?

  28. RedVinnie says:

    finally someone agrees w/ me. i think that for a paper mario game, the hard rock/techno mix goes well. the only other band that does that genre good, is disturbed. but thats off-topic. use my nomination!

  29. CKcheeseboy says:

    Upcoming titles in the storybook series (confirmed):
    Sonic and the Two Cities
    For Sonic the Bell Tolls
    Sonic and the Orient Express
    Sonic and the Manual (or Sonic and the Player’s Guide)
    Sonic and the Quest for Waldo
    Sonic and Differential Calculus
    Sonic and Going Slow for Dummies

    And you don’t need a transcript of the podcasts, just read roadjcat’s posts, they’re close enough. 😛

  30. Ray says:

    11. Okay I just thought this and I want to know if I’m right because it’s going to bug me: Is the Rise From Your Grave background music from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door?

    Yes, you can rest easy.

  31. FluffyPanda says:

    I agree that the Gamestop CEO made a jerk of himself with that comment, but it probably wouldn’t have come to light if the gaming community at large didn’t hate Gamestop so much. I don’t really get it. No one has ever given me a good reason why I should hate them that much.

    People hate gamestop because they sell predominantly second-hand games, which means the people who created the games don’t get a share of the profits (from the second, third, etc sale of a game).

    In the UK at least there is another reason to hate them – they killed the second-hand games market.

    That sounds illogical, so allow me to explain. Before Gamestop arrived in the UK there were a few local independent game shops near me who sold used games. The would buy for a third, sell at a half (of new value).

    This was great, but then along came gamestop and pushed so much of their weight behind getting hold of people’s old games that they became the only player in the market. Now if you want a used game you end up in gamestop and you pay £5 less than the new, £45 game. Not such a great saving any more, is it?

    But it’s still a saving, so people buy second-hand games at those prices all the time. Now you have “new games” and “nearly new games” at almost the same price, but the nearly new games sell more and the publishers get none of the profit – all of that goes directly to gametap. This has more of an effect on high game prices than piracy ever will.

    So thanks to Gamestop I am paying more for my new games, more for my used games and the game creators are struggling to get the funding to try new and interesting things.

    And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why I hate Gamestop.

  32. Lilguitarist says:

    I didn’t know we had Gamestops here in the UK.

    We have Gamestation, good old CEX and Game.
    Gamestation’s ok, Game sucks but CEX is pretty cool.

    I’d say the best place to get your hands on cheap games now is Ebay or Amazon. It’s the only way to go.

  33. Tacos says:

    Wow, Ray managed to restrain himself. I really don’t know what to say.

    Sonic radar?? Sounds like the emerald missions from SA2. So I guess SATBK wasn’t even blinking green.

    And I haven’t played in a while either except for the new DS Fire Emblem. Other than that, I haven’t played anything. Actually, I decided to give up playing Wii for Lent, since I forgot Lent already came up until a few days into it and realized I had already eaten chocolate.

    Well, youtube comments are always weird. I never trust them. I think a lot of crazy five year olds write them, typing what someone tells them, thus causing the horrendous misspellings.

    NO WAY!!!! I typed up my thing at the bottom before you said that. Weird, now I’ll type another one. Ok, done, but missed about 10 minutes of the podcast due to zoning out.

    I hate Ray? How dare they? Woah, that rhymes.

    Gamestop CEO = D*bag. ‘Nuff said. Obviously, he’s mad that they didn’t come up with it. Or that no one loves them. Probably the latter.

    Next storybook Series: Sonic and the Lost City of Atlantis. Your new friend is a slow-thinking lovable catfish named Camoo. Also, small clownfish will guide you and help you learn the ropes of Sonic’s new equipment: his Super Scuba Tank. Be careful, if you don’t collect enough rings, Sonic will run out of air and you’ll have to start all over. Be prepared, as you travel from the four oceans, meeting new fish along the way. But beware! The mighty trident of Poseidon has fallen into the wrong hands, devastating ecosystems around the ocean floor.

    Second version (because Ray stole mine). Sonic and in the Jurassic Period. After a mysterious encounter with Dr. Eggman, Sonic the hedgehog is blasted back to the past. Waaay back! In a land full of ancient reptiles, Sonic must make his away across the land to the master of them all: The Mighty Brontosaurus, Long-neck. His reptilian companion, a small but dedicated Triceratops named Fran, who’s determination is as big as Sonic’s attitude.. But beware! The carnivores seem to find hedgehogs tasty and are determined to get their favorite item on the menu; Sonic himself!

  34. Dominator_101 says:

    Nice podcast.

    Hey, if you give me some free shirts or something, I’ll transcribe all the new podcasts for you…

    And I think that it was actually Ray who had all those Youtube accounts that were praising Sonic and the Black Knight. He secretly likes all the new Sonic games, but doesn’t want to admit it to Tim and all of the 2P Start fans.

  35. DrOswald says:

    People hate gamestop because they sell predominantly second-hand games, which means the people who created the games don’t get a share of the profits (from the second, third, etc sale of a game).
    In the UK at least there is another reason to hate them – they killed the second-hand games market.

    I have heard your first point before and it really isn’t a valid point. This is because people don’t hate the sale of used games, they hate Gamestop itself. I can’t recall the last time that someone has bashed Play and Trade, or Rhino games, or the little old lady selling her grandsons video game collection at a garage sale. Very few people, if any, are angry at Amazon for trying to get into the used game market. But everyone hates GameStop.

    On the other hand, your second point about Gamestop having unfair business practices is a perfectly valid argument. They are the giant in the used gaming market, which is why I am glad other companies are getting in on the market. Competition is a good thing. It will be interesting to see how this all goes down. Hopefully it will stop the nearly new and $5 less thing from happening. When they try to pull that I usually buy the new one anyway.

    The reason why I like places like Gamestop is because I am a video game collector. I currently own well over 300 games and every major console since the NES in working condition. Most of my games are bought at Gamestop, or similar used game retailers, long after it becomes impossible to find the game new (at least not from any retailer I would trust my credit card number with) and at a bargain price of $5 – $15.

    Antartica! …Wait no! Don’t give them any ideas. Or on second thought… DO make that parting of the red sea Sonic game. That would offend SO many people. I bet some people would riot and finally sacrifice Sonic to the gaming gods and just get it over with.

    That would make your annoying, whiny companion the voice of God. Also, when Sonic gets all the chaos emeralds he could turn into the Messiah. I would love to see a Sonic game get a “T” rating for blasphemy.

    P.S. I would like to apologize to anyone who doesn’t find sacrilege funny. I just couldn’t resist.

  36. Lilguitarist says:

    *Ray steps out from the shadows wearing a large cape* “Yes! That’s right! It was me all along! Hahahaha! You foolish fools suspected nothing, yet it was before your eyes the whole time! I was the one who left all those comments. I was the one who bought all those copies of Secret Rings. And that job I speak of…I work for Sonic Team. I am responsible for all the new gimmicks in Sonic games and you’ll never stop me from bringing back the Were-hog! Mwahahahahaha! *Disappears in a puff of smoke*

    : |

  37. Phos says:

    Werehog-ified version of Shadow here:

    http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/475659

  38. FluffyPanda says:

    I didn’t know we had Gamestops here in the UK.
    We have Gamestation, good old CEX and Game.
    Gamestation’s ok, Game sucks but CEX is pretty cool.
    I’d say the best place to get your hands on cheap games now is Ebay or Amazon. It’s the only way to go.

    My local Gamestop is in Stockport, and they’re scattered around the country too. Plus I’m pretty sure they own EB Games (formerly Electronics Boutique)

  39. FluffyPanda says:

    I have heard your first point before and it really isn’t a valid point. This is because people don’t hate the sale of used games, they hate Gamestop itself.

    True, but it was largely gamestop and co that elevated the second hand market from a secondary market to competition with new games. They did this by pumping prices and reducing the time to get a new game on the shelf as a used game.

    Now you have games like Gears of War 2 available both new and used on the week of release, and the used copy is the same price as an internet new copy. Kind of crazy.

    The reason why I like places like Gamestop is because I am a video game collector. I currently own well over 300 games and every major console since the NES in working condition. Most of my games are bought at Gamestop, or similar used game retailers, long after it becomes impossible to find the game new (at least not from any retailer I would trust my credit card number with) and at a bargain price of $5 – $15.

    Well, in the UK at least, I’d say it used to be easier to get old games pre-gamestop (and ilk). The shelf space devoted to unopened games is now a fraction of that devoted to used games. Not so long ago you would find a copy or two of even really old games sitting pride of place. Now anything that’s not in the charts is cleared away pretty quickly. Actually getting hold of a new release can sometimes be hard without a pre-order.

  40. FluffyPanda says:

    I have heard your first point before and it really isn’t a valid point. This is because people don’t hate the sale of used games, they hate Gamestop itself.

    True, but it was largely gamestop and co that elevated the second hand market from a secondary market to competition with new games. They did this by pumping prices and reducing the time to get a new game on the shelf as a used game.

    Now you have games like Gears of War 2 available both new and used on the week of release, and the used copy is the same price as an internet new copy. Kind of crazy.

    The reason why I like places like Gamestop is because I am a video game collector. I currently own well over 300 games and every major console since the NES in working condition. Most of my games are bought at Gamestop, or similar used game retailers, long after it becomes impossible to find the game new (at least not from any retailer I would trust my credit card number with) and at a bargain price of $5 – $15.

    Well, in the UK at least, I’d say it used to be easier to get old games pre-gamestop (and ilk). The shelf space devoted to unopened games is now a fraction of that devoted to used games. Not so long ago you would find a copy or two of even really old games sitting pride of place. Now anything that’s not in the charts is cleared away pretty quickly. Actually getting hold of a new release can sometimes be hard without a pre-order.

    (errr… didn’t end my blockquotes correctly…. can a mod delete previous comment please? Or give us edit back? 😉 )

  41. MetaRidleyR27 says:

    I was wondering why you hadn’t been on Xbox Live in so long, Ray. I wanted to play the RE5 demo on co-op with you. 🙁 I wonder though, could one of these mysterious side projects be Pixel Vision? Perhaps the mythical 2P game?

    I have to say, I’m glad there was a logical discussion of the problems with Sonic and the Black Knight, other than Matt’s, “CREDITS CONFUSE ME THEREFORE THIS GAME SUCKS!” I’m not really too excited for Black Knight, but chances are I’ll buy it at some point in time.

    I’m not really sure why, but this week’s podcast felt good and solid, so I’ll finish with a Great Podcast Guys!

  42. roadjcat says:

    11. Okay I just thought this and I want to know if I’m right because it’s going to bug me: Is the Rise From Your Grave background music from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door?

    Yes, you can rest easy.

    Awesome. Now I just have to find where!

  43. ubuntun3rd says:

    Ahhhh! What’s so funny at the end?! I feel…so…so…left out!

  44. Kudos to Tim for sticking it out with the topic of PA and the Washington State Senate. After 8 or 9 interruptions by Ray lasting about 2 and a half minutes, Tim finally got to say his piece to an obviously dis-interested Ray with nothing to say other than “mm hm… right… right… hm… right… yep… yeah… no.. that’s great” and then from zero to next topic in about 5 milliseconds. I say, BDA for Ray. I hear they’re a dime a dozen this week.

  45. D3vin says:

    Oh and D3vin, you didn’t just call Paper Mario a gimmick right?

    No, a good game that USED a gimmick that has been used a few times by the big N, I liked TTYd, and I like the Mario RPGs better than real ones.

  46. dj75728 says:

    You know what, I for one think Excalibur Sonic looks frikkin awesome. If it were back in the good Sonic days and they released that pic people would’ve thought it was awesome. The game’s concept wasn’t great, nor the setting. But Excalibur Sonic looks awesome.

    About the Amazon/Gamestop thing. I would’ve agreed with Tim, except you’re not looking at one important detail. I’ve checked Amazon’s prices on used game trade-ins. It’s frikkin horrible. About $2-3 over GameStop’s prices if that. Some are worse than GameStop’s trade-in values believe it or not. The reason people sell games on eBay and other sites is because they can get a lot more money than by selling their game to GameStop. I personally wouldn’t take the time to ship a game and wait for my money for $2 extra. They’ll fail because their prices aren’t good enough for those who avoid trading at GameStop, and those who trade at GameStop don’t want to bother with the whole shipping thing.

    Now then, about the biggest irk I’ve been having with you guys (Yes you two Tim and Ray….mostly Ray.) WTF is up with the Rise from your Grave segment? What the hell kinda BS is this!? Instead of them taking our comment of the weeks you just gave them a whole segment!? Please tell me, how exactly are you rewarding those of us who’ve been here commenting for as long as we have? The knubby awards were a joke by the way. Like one commenter got an award and then you gave like two to yourselves and then gave them out to some games. Every time I listen to the podcast I’ll be sitting there chilling, enjoying it very much, then I hear the grainy Sega sound rip of “RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!” and I sigh and wonder why the two of you have done so much for those who’ve said nothing before and nothing for those of us who have been here supporting you with our words of encouragement for months and months and months. Whatever. I’ll still be listening so I guess it doesn’t really matter anyway.

  47. roadjcat says:

    Oh and D3vin, you didn’t just call Paper Mario a gimmick right?

    No, a good game that USED a gimmick that has been used a few times by the big N, I liked TTYd, and I like the Mario RPGs better than real ones.

    Ah, okie dokie. I like the RPGs better too actually.

    Now then, about the biggest irk I’ve been having with you guys (Yes you two Tim and Ray….mostly Ray.) WTF is up with the Rise from your Grave segment? What the hell kinda BS is this!? Instead of them taking our comment of the weeks you just gave them a whole segment!? Please tell me, how exactly are you rewarding those of us who’ve been here commenting for as long as we have? The knubby awards were a joke by the way. Like one commenter got an award and then you gave like two to yourselves and then gave them out to some games. Every time I listen to the podcast I’ll be sitting there chilling, enjoying it very much, then I hear the grainy Sega sound rip of “RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!” and I sigh and wonder why the two of you have done so much for those who’ve said nothing before and nothing for those of us who have been here supporting you with our words of encouragement for months and months and months. Whatever. I’ll still be listening so I guess it doesn’t really matter anyway.

    While I agree with you in some sense, I’d much rather have the Rise From Your Grave segment than have them take up comment of the week.

  48. dj75728 says:

    (Was gonna post this a couple hours ago but I had to go take a test)

    Now then, on to the Gamestop thing. Obviously some of you don’t understand simple business and are jumping on the ever so popular bandwagon of “I hate GameStop because of what people on comment boards say.”

    I’ve done my research and I’ve crunched actual GameStop store numbers. First off, it’s good business. Profit in used games is great. However, it’s also the only thing keeping GameStop from dying. And if I recall correctly (which I do) GameStop is THE largest video game retailer in the world. Without them the industry would take a hit way too large than they can handle, especially in this day and age. Secondly, after actually crunching a stores numbers on different days I’ve been able to prove that the ratio of used games that have been released recently (still 49.99+ used) to games that have been either out of print or are years old (and very cheap) are about 1:8. Almost all used games sold are old PS2 games or old 360 games. Also the ratio of used games to new games sold is between 1:2 and 1:3. Third and lastly, companies are hardly complaining about GameStop. I’ve only ever heard of one company actually complain about them, and I also know that THQ and Sega have problems with them as well, but then again there games aren’t selling well new or used. Epic and Activision also have a bit of a problem with GameStop, but they’re doing something about it and they are putting incentives to new game buyers. Hell, Microsoft seems to love them honestly. They give them super awesome incentives which include a site where they can take surveys and get super cheap games/consoles/accessories.

  49. Dj75728 says:

    Last thing about GS (for now)

    Fluffy panda, please explain to me how exactly Gamestop is shortening the time between new games on the shelf and used ones. Used games are brought in from those who trade them in. Not any other way. Some games are transferred between stores, but they were all traded in at one point. I mean, do you think Gamestop is intentionally opening games, lowering their value, just to get more used games on the shelves? Used games come in when people trade them in. Just because some people were either dissapointed in Gears 2(I know some) or beat it quickly has nothing to do with Gamestop.

  50. FluffyPanda says:

    I think it’s because every game in their shop has a sticker on it that says “Free when you trade x games” or similar. They’re pushing the trade in value of games a lot.

    Before all the highstreet game shops were working as pawn brokers there was simply less of a second hand market. People were less likely to buy a new game then sell it for a third of the price a couple of days later. Second hand shelves were mostly full of older games.

    Also, with the smaller independent stores being home to most of the second hand games only the real gaming enthusiasts tended to know about the second hand market at all.

    Of course there would always have been people who raced through games then wanted to offload them, but in practice I never actually saw shelves full of nearly new games at virtually new prices before the VG pawn shops arrived.

    All of what I say is from an observation of the UK gaming shops, nothing more. I don’t really have answers to why it happened, but anyone who’s been buying games for 20 years can see that it did.

  51. dj75728 says:

    First of all, I’ve never seen a sticker like that in a GameStop store. So that’s could either only be GameStop UK, or more likely, something the district manager of the GameStops in your district is doing. And even so, I don’t think many people trade in games unless they’re….well you know….done with them.

  52. DrOswald says:

    I think it’s because every game in their shop has a sticker on it that says “Free when you trade x games” or similar. They’re pushing the trade in value of games a lot.

    Never seen that before.

    Before all the highstreet game shops were working as pawn brokers there was simply less of a second hand market. People were less likely to buy a new game then sell it for a third of the price a couple of days later. Second hand shelves were mostly full of older games.

    I remember what the second hand game market consisted of before Gamestop and other retailers like Gamestop. Where I lived there was no real 2nd hand game market. You bought used games from friends, garage sales, and blockbuster (when they decided the game was no longer worth renting out.) There were no smaller local shops. I guess the situation is different in the areas we live in.

  53. CKcheeseboy says:

    Please tell me, how exactly are you rewarding those of us who’ve been here commenting for as long as we have? The knubby awards were a joke by the way. Like one commenter got an award and then you gave like two to yourselves and then gave them out to some games. Every time I listen to the podcast I’ll be sitting there chilling, enjoying it very much, then I hear the grainy Sega sound rip of “RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!” and I sigh and wonder why the two of you have done so much for those who’ve said nothing before and nothing for those of us who have been here supporting you with our words of encouragement for months and months and months.

    Yeah, seriously, we should get more respect for reading a comic on the Internet. I mean, do you know how hard that is? Sometimes it can take up to 30 seconds for the page to load, and then we even have to scroll down the page! Not to mention having to click “play” on the podcasts.

    Seriously guys, you really need to do more than pour hours every week into a webcomic and podcast that you provide for our entertainment for free. I mean really, look at all we’ve done for you. We even say “good job” sometimes before getting lost in our own conversations. Show some respect. 😐

    [spoiler](sorry if that was a little harsh, I just don’t see where this sense on entitlement comes from)[/spoiler]

  54. roadjcat says:

    CKcheeseboy, I get what you’re saying, but I also get what Dj is saying. Dj is basically saying that the podcast is choosing to recognize the people that post once and then rarely post again (though there a few that stay) instead of the ones that give constant feedback. I agree that we are getting this fantastic stuff for free, but so does Dj. He just thought the Rise From Your Grave segment was a bit odd.

    Though now that I think about it, Dj kind of answered his own questions by saying that he’ll listen to it anyway.

    Actually wait! There is content for regulars in the works. 16 of us in fact. You should know what I’m talking about, but just go through the blog posts if you don’t. You might find out what I’m talking about. I’m not sure if I’m supposed to be saying this, and I apologize if I’m not, but there is equality here. XD You just have to pay attention (though it has been awhile since I saw that post…).

  55. the two of you have done so much for those who’ve said nothing before

    Yeah! A quick name-drop in the podcast and a recitation of a first comment!

    and nothing for those of us who have been here supporting you with our words of encouragement for months and months and months.

    Yeah! Nothing! Forums? What forums?

    /sarcasm

    If I hadn’t “risen from my grave” before such a concept became status quo around here, the podcast segment definitely would have pushed me in that direction. In that light, it’s’a good.

  56. dj75728 says:

    Okay look, first of all Ckcheeseboy, I think that was totally uncalled for. That amount of sarcasm was overkill and turned into malice more than anything.

    Anyway, I don’t so much have a problem with the rise from your grave segment. I’m glad that our community is growing, and that some of those who are in the background are coming out. Some of those people have been great and have been contributing to the forums and I’m glad they’re here. However after the joke that was the knubby awards (other 2PSTARTers agree with me, but I won’t name names) I’ve felt slightly neglected as a long-time fan. The rise segment was merely what really made me feel less appreciated than the new commenters. I’m glad they’re not taking our comments of the week (not that I’ve been commenting lately), but I’d appreciate if we got a nudge or too as well. My problem with some of the new commenters comments is another matter honestly. I’d never leave the site for any reason of course, I’m merely saying how I feel.

  57. roadjcat says:

    Well Dj, I guess all you can do is to wait for the premium content which for some reason I feel I shouldn’t be mentioning…

  58. CKcheeseboy says:

    Okay look, first of all Ckcheeseboy, I think that was totally uncalled for. That amount of sarcasm was overkill and turned into malice more than anything.
    Anyway, I don’t so much have a problem with the rise from your grave segment.…However after the joke that was the knubby awards (other 2PSTARTers agree with me, but I won’t name names) I’ve felt slightly neglected as a long-time fan. The rise segment was merely what really made me feel less appreciated than the new commenters. I’m glad they’re not taking our comments of the week (not that I’ve been commenting lately), but I’d appreciate if we got a nudge or too as well…

    I apologize if it came off as too harsh/an attack on you, but your original post seemed a lot different from what you said in this one. Compare the bold here to your previous post: “WTF is up with the Rise from your Grave segment? What the h*** kinda BS is this!?” To me, that seemed a little excessive, and definitely above “I don’t so much have a problem with it.” I think it’s a valid segment that encourages people to give their input and join the community. Plus, any person can only get it once.

    As far as long-time fans, while it would be nice for a mention, it can be a logistical problem. A podcast segment dedicated to that group would be something like “let’s see what our old fans have to say this week”, and in my opinion, would probably be a little pointless and possibly boring use of podcast time. It would seem forced to me just to cater to those fans. There might be some way to do it, but it would have to be something that contributes to the podcast. Think of it from other people’s perspectives: would they want to hear about long-time fans just because they happen to have been around for a while? Probably not, unless there was another reason to mention them, i.e. comment of the week. I guess you could say the same thing about Rise From Your Grave, but as I mentioned before, they only get it once, while a long-time fan will still be a long-time fan the following week.

    Also, my original point still stands. While I do like the fact that Tim and Ray interact with all of us directly, I don’t think people who have been around longer inherently deserve special consideration. I mean, really, those people just happened to find the comic and say “hey, good job” before others. I’m pretty sure we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on that point, though.

    And I can’t say I remember the Nubby Awards well, but I don’t recall having a problem with them. They’re just supposed to be fun, it’s not that they hate anybody that didn’t get one.

    Again, I apologize if my previous comment was over the top, but I feel like your original comment was overdramatizing the situation. With the size of the community and the number of people who comment regularly, I just don’t see a way to give appreciation to those who have been around longer without forcing it. Maybe somebody else has an idea that would work while still being entertaining to everybody, though. And finally, I really hope there’s no character limit on this thing.

  59. CKcheeseboy says:

    (sorry for double posting, but a quick note)
    I mentioned something amount the “bold”, but apparently it doesn’t bold a quote. I was referring to the “Anyway, I don’t so much have a problem with the rise from your grave segment.” comment.

  60. FluffyPanda says:

    First of all, I’ve never seen a sticker like that in a GameStop store. So that’s could either only be GameStop UK…

    http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/145137/gamestop-trade-in-any-2-ps3-games-f/

    it’s a pretty common sight in a UK gamestop. I don’t think I’ve evver been in one where this offer wasn’t running and highly advertised. Even games on preorder can be bought for £5 and 3 xbox 360 games or something like that.

    Still, I did say that I don’t know exactly why it happened, but it definitely has happened: The highstreet game pawn shops have killed the cheap / old second-hand games market in the UK.

    Actually, they’ve virtually killed off the independent games retailer altogether, which is rather sad.

  61. dj75728 says:

    I understand what you’re saying completely. Probably what I have the biggest problem with is the knubby awards themselves, as I’ve said before. I suppose I’ll get used to the Rise segment in time. By the way, I stand corrected as two (yes TWO!) commenters who actually got knubby awards. I’m quite sure that neither of the two of them (Dash and “???”) have been here in quite a long time either.

  62. Hedgehog’s guide to the Galaxy. ‘Nuf said

  63. Kvb says:

    Just listened to this old episode again, and I finally figured out what’s so funny at the end.
    It’s “So Tim, I have to ask”, isn’t it?

  64. SonikkuWii says:

    Ah, see I’m one of the people Ray can stand. I only stand the new Sonic games, I never put them on a pedestal with SA2:B or Sonic 3 & Knuckles (Not that those two are on par either).
    I find it funny, though. You had “Power Hungry Fool” from Path of Radiance playing as Tim asked what the next Sonic Storybook game should be. I immediately thought, “A Fire Emblem and Sonic crossover?” Good thing I don’t work at SEGA…

  65. 1337pikmin says:

    HEY RAY! PRESS THE A BUTTON TO ANNOY TIM!!!

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