2P START! Live!: GDC09 Edition

Live!

RayIn this episode you’ll hear: Tim’s Black Doom Award that nearly leaves Ray speechless, how Nintendo owns the copyright to the alphabet, an age-old segment making its return, what Tim and Ray think of the new Zelda title, and why Ray still defends the ‘Temple of the Ocean King.’

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40 Comments

  1. D3vin says:

    Make the Jokes for you? (Isn’t what I do when I do guest comics?)

    Ummm…. Sonic, Knuckles and Tails walk into a bar, Silver ducks…
    🙂

    If I had Tim’s question I would have asked what version of Sonic CD it was, but that was just me.

    Maybe with the dumbed down gravity and difficulty, maybe I can defeat Airman! No matter how Try to dodge all his tornadoes he just kills me again.

  2. TomX says:

    Nooo, I would have loved to see an Obama and Sonic at the Special Olympic Games. People need to stop being so sensitive. The President of the United States should not be making those jokes, but if it had been anyone else it wouldn’t have raised such a controversy. Point is, everyone gets offended too easily. The PETA thing with the dogs is silly. Why doesn’t the dog community take a stand and be offended? Then they’d have a case. If Medal of Honor: Rising Sun (where you play as Americans killing Japanese) can sell well in… wiat for it… JAPAN!!.. then no one else has ANY room to be offended. (Sorry for the rant, lol)

  3. MetaRidleyR27 says:

    Freeman? Gordon Freeman?! Let me get a good look at you, man! You haven’t changed one iota, how do you do it? Ahem, anyway, congratulations on moving out Ray!

    Yay! Trivia for Two! Man, I forgot how much I missed that segment. Hopefully it’s back to stay? And I would have picked any of the choices other than Sonic CD, since that was the only game I played, and I remember the boss theme from it. I didn’t even consider that the Japanese version would have a different soundtrack.

    I was hoping you’d talk about GDC. I was very happy about update 4.0U. Actually, I felt like I couldn’t play Paper Mario until I got the update, which was a lot harder than I thought. It took a bunch of tries to get it, the last of which only filled to 50%, yet the update still came through. Not really sure how that works, but I am very happy that it worked out. Oh, and Paper Mario’s great so far. 😀

    I pretty much offered my opinion on Spirit Tracks back on the blog post. The train is definitely odd, but I’ll probably get over it at some point. I’ll most likely buy it, of course. And I agree with you about the Temple of the Ocean King, Ray. It really didn’t bother me that much. In all honesty, the part where you had to close the DS to imprint the seal onto your map. That took me forever to figure out. 😛

    I thought the comic was pretty good. It didn’t neccessarily make me laugh out loud, but it was clever enough to make me grin.

    Well, I can’t exactly say that I agree with Ray’s BDA, but I do see where he’s coming from. The thing is, Nintendo has said so little that appeals to me in the last year or so, that even this tiny scrap about 4.0 and Spirit Tracks is more exciting to me. However, I do want some good information at the next E3.

    As for Tim’s, I had no idea that they even realeased Mega Man 2 for the iPhone and iTouch. That sounds absolutely horrible, and I’m glad that I got the Virtual Console version a while ago. I have to say though, this is one of the greatest (or is it worst?) BDAs I’ve heard in a while. I should really check out IGN’s review soon…

    Hooh, that was tense. While I was listening to the Musical Misfit, the music just stopped for a moment (most likely because I opened a tab), and I thought I was about to lose my comment. Thankfully, I didn’t, and the music started back up shortly. So I’ll finish up with a Great Podcast Guys! It was pretty long, but I really enjoyed it. I might even dare say that it rivals Sonic and the Black Doom Edition.

  4. RedVinnie says:

    hey guys great podcast. i was just wondering what the criteria is for for musical misfits. cause id really like to get one in.

  5. igorpwnweed says:

    Not the best podcast, but still funny. Anyway, what was up with the end when ray said, “That will do it for this weeks 2PStart Liiiiiiive!”? It’s obviously a sign of the end of days, sent through the one person everyone worships, Ray Haregreaves. I for one embrace the transition of power from Barack Obama to giant praying-mantis economy gods who want no more than to mate with the people left alive and eat us in the process! What? No, I don’t need therapy.

  6. sheppy says:

    Wow, I haven’t gotten a comment of the month in a while. And I’m glad that made someone laugh, I thought it went over about as well as Shamwow infomercial at the Bunny Ranch. Those wanting that explained, I gotta keep it clean, sorry.

    Anywho… now for the comments.

    Temple of the Ocean King, to me, was a pathetic attempt to lengthen a short game. Many reasons wrong with that behavior but for sake of time, take Link’s Awakening. At various intervals, you have to stop your quests between dungeons to play their trading game and get some key to open the next dungeon. When I’m traveling 20-30 screens to fulfill this ridiculous agenda in poor game design, it makes me not want to play. Temple of the Ocean King isn’t some clever change to the Zelda formula. That came with the sailing mechanic and turning the overworld into an on rails shooter. Instead the temple was a clumsy roadblock essentially keeping you from progressing the game. I don’t mind solving a dungeon. And truth be told, I liked the stealth elements. But imagine this scenario…

    Water Temple, OoT. You solve this dungeon to a certain point until you get the clue on where you are supposed to go next. However, on your way to solving that water temple the first time, you see all the different ways to solve it. But you can’t solve it that way. Because the designer wants you to come back to the Water Temple at least five times…. THAT’S what the temple of the ocean king was to me. To me, it’s the reason my copy of phantom hourglass still remains unbeaten.

    Also, Tim’s correct. GDC is not the place for uber announcements. It’s a place to network, to discuss the financial downfalls of game design in certain veins, it’s a place to address hardware limitations, etc. If Nintendo pulled an E3 style press release the exact same year they have a huge E3 booth, I’d be disappointed. E3 is where the big three will hang out with their thang out. Leave GDC to the developers.

  7. roadjcat says:

    Okay note time:
    1. Spiffy Wind Waker Tune in the intro there.

    2. Yay for the return of Trivia for Two.

    3. You really do like the music from The Thousand-Year Door huh? If I’m not mistaken, that was Rogueport.

    4. Wow, it’s been a while, nice to see Topic of the Week again.

    5. Okay, I thought the Wii update was crap. I went to try it out, and my choice was the Internet Channel which is currently on the SD card. It had to transfer My Life as King onto my SD card and the Internet Channel off, exactly what it was like before. Apparently it’s better with VC games, but I’m a bit ticked off actually that the Wii is unable to do what the Gamecube could do…I’m also still a bit mad that the Wii still malfunctions occasionally when my N64 is working perfectly.

    6. Phantom Hourglass was bad. I have no problem with going through the levels again, though if I wanted to go back through levels with new abilities, I’d play Metroid because they do it much better. What really irked me was the stealth and the time limit. Both EXTREMELY (I cannot stress that enough) annoying by themselves. Putting them together made me want to slam my head into a wall. I can’t stress enough how horrible a design choice The Temple of the Ocean King was. It is the absolute epitome of my “Who thought that was a good idea!?!?” moments. Though I will agree that it was okay the final time because the stealth part was thrown out the window.

    7. Nice Forest Life music in the background there.

    8. Pretty good remix

    9. I think TGS is apparently the time for big announcements. XD

    10. I thought Nintendo’s Media Summit was good. Endless Ocean anyone?

    11. Wait, so you can pick a Musical Misfits from any week? Fluffy Panda didn’t even comment last week…

  8. nintendogamer101 says:

    My second comment of the week! Tim, Ray, you have both made me a very happy camper. 🙂

  9. Saturn2888 says:

    Man, I totally agree w/ Tim. I stopped where he did, and it’s been 1.5 years since I picked it up again. My conclusion is, I need a friend like Ray, lol. Speed runs suck though. Unless there’s a game made of it, it’s dumb.

  10. zijjh says:

    Point 1: Aww, they like us, they really like us 🙂

    Point 2: Don’t really care too much about a lack of announcements, meh

    Point 3: Ditto for Megaman.

    Not much to say, but I liked getting to hear your dreamy voices for such a good length of time. 😀

  11. roadjcat says:

    Ah crud. Rouge.

  12. SuperMegaBulimicKoala says:

    My second comment of the week! Tim, Ray, you have both made me a very happy camper.

    All you got to do is make jokes about how Ray and Tim is sexy.

  13. CKcheeseboy says:

    @roadjcat #5: what do you mean? I thought it worked great. I mean, it would be nice if it could run save files from it, but that’s not a huge deal. I just moved most of my channels to the SD card and have almost 1000 blocks on my Wii free, so I don’t have any issues with anything. Why would you need to move something back to the Wii? I mean, it does when you load it, but once you quit, it’s still on the SD card. That way, you can run either the Internet Channel OR MLaaK from the SD card, where before you would have to move one onto the Wii yourself when you wanted to use it. I had deleted the Nintendo Channel before because it took up so much room and wasn’t worth it, but now I can just keep it on my SD card where I don’t need to worry about room. Also, I don’t get what you mean by “it can’t do what the GameCube could do”, although if you’re referring to something mentioned in the podcast, I haven’t listened to it yet.

    Also, I’m in the “didn’t mind the TotOK” club. In fact, I even went so far as to run through it enough to be able to finish with a full timer left.

  14. CKcheeseboy says:

    On Link’s train conductor outfit: I think what’s going to happen is Link will start as a conductor, then once he starts on his quest, he will get his standard clothes. It happened in WW (he had his PJ’s for like 5 minutes) and TP (he had his other clothes for a while), so that’s my guess. I’m not a huge fan of the conductor’s outfit, so I’m hoping it’s not something he wears whenever you use the train.

  15. tustin says:

    Hooh, that was tense. While I was listening to the Musical Misfit, the music just stopped for a moment (most likely because I opened a tab), and I thought I was about to lose my comment. Thankfully, I didn’t, and the music started back up shortly. So I’ll finish up with a Great Podcast Guys! It was pretty long, but I really enjoyed it. I might even dare say that it rivals Sonic and the Black Doom Edition.

    Um… that wasn’t you…. Ray, the Musical Misfits really did just drop right in the middle of the song and picked up 3-5 seconds later. It’s in the actual audio, because I could back up and do it again. and again. and again. 🙂 You might want to fix that for future grave risers… 🙂

    Great podcast all the same. 😀 I’m not about to make a wall of text about it, I’ll leave that to the pros above.

  16. D3vin says:

    Ah crud. Rouge.

    Rouge and Roadj, sitting in a tree,
    K-
    I-
    S-
    S-
    I-
    N-
    G!
    😀

    But furthermore, I don’t mind that all the floors in hyrule get updated to a more steampunk-ish theme, Since that would make some things make more sence. (like Bombchus from OOT, how would they work? they are almost like an intricate wind up from 100 odd years in the future! The hookshot also brings questions to mind.)

  17. Wrenchmonkey says:

    Hey guys, sorry for the lack of comments lately. I have a question about “Rise From Your Grave.” Did I have anything to do with it’s creation? Becuse you started it shortly after I made that comment about how much I love this site, and you seemed worried about choosing those types of comments as CotW. So you thought of a way to show these comments in another way. Just a thought.

    Reposting this on a newer podcast.

  18. CKcheeseboy says:

    Hey guys, sorry for the lack of comments lately. I have a question about “Rise From Your Grave.” Did I have anything to do with it’s creation? Becuse you started it shortly after I made that comment about how much I love this site, and you seemed worried about choosing those types of comments as CotW. So you thought of a way to show these comments in another way. Just a thought.
    Reposting this on a newer podcast.

    I don’t know about you specifically, but around the time it was created, there were a lot of people doing that same kind of thing. For a couple months, CotW was going to the now dubbed “grave risers” more than it was going to regular posts, and so they split off the grave segment to give regular posts a chance again.

  19. Tacos says:

    Changes? Ch-ch-ch-changes!

    Yay, Trivia for Two!! Although Tim’s question was kind of lame.

    I think the train is a step forward in time. I mentioned it in the forums, but Link is the Hero of Time. Just sayin’

    And TotOK was soo frustrating. After a few times, I actually got bothered by it. It felt like a cop-out for a new dungeon. I would much prefer it if they had just made it one dungeon and added a boss or a whole other temple. I dunno, it felt lame.

    On Ray’s BDA, I just don’t think that Nintendo has anything big to announce. Honestly, the only thing I see is a 2D Metroid (which is me spit-balling) or a Wii Zelda. But that’s just my thoughts/hopes.

    Ray’s making me feel so bad for him. And screw Capcom for this. This is definitely the worst BDA so far, except maybe the SatBK when it got its own episode.

  20. EmoGavero says:

    Ok, I’ll throw a bone. *rises from grave*

    I’ve been reading for a few weeks now, and I have to say 2P Start is the funniest video game comic I’ve read.

    Weird, I’m playing Paper Mario and the Thousand Year Door right now, and you used a lot of music from that.

  21. CKcheeseboy says:

    I think the train is a step forward in time. I mentioned it in the forums, but Link is the Hero of Time. Just sayin’

    Not all of them are. OoT (and MM) Link is the Hero of Time, but WW (and PH) Link is the Hero of Winds. Just sayin’

  22. DrOswald says:

    I don’t have time to listen to the podcast again right now, but somewhere in it when Tim and Ray were talking about The Temple of the Ocean King one of them said that people asked for something different and when the got it they complained. I would like to point out that what people asked for is something different and good. I didn’t really like PH. There were many things done differently in the game and I think that for the most part the changes made were either poorly executed or downright bad design decisions. I got the feeling that many of these poor decisions were made simply to be different. It is not enough to be different, it must also be good.

    And in case anyone thinks I am being to harsh on Nintendo I would like to point out that they chose to be judged this way. They claimed to be the great innovators. I am just holding them to their word.

  23. C) I agree that the Wii update is a tad late, but better late than never. I am amused that Activision and EA essentially got it to work months before Nintendo did. But now us “geeks and otaku” can finally enjoy the benefits of slightly more accessible storage space. The last VC title I got was Secret of Mana (which I still need to finish, agh) but WiiWare might keep things going (Word of Goo is full of win, btw) and I’m not really sure where the Virtual Console Arcade is going to end up.

    D) Tim’s BDA was right on the money. I remember reading about a planned MM2 release for iPhone and was horrified. I once tried a Super Mario Bros app on an iPhone with the same idea of a touch d-pad and it was very difficult to control. I couldn’t imagine how a fully functional MM2 would play.

    E) Good to know some of my older Musical Misfit suggestions are still in the running. In the meantime, here’s a new one for whenever. Though, it may not be a “misfit” as much as “just a song I like”:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KKW3MT-8PU

    F) Nice Mega Man ring tone there Ray. I used to use the tune that would play right after you select a boss/stage. Now I opt for Snake’s codec call instead… =]

  24. CKcheeseboy says:

    C)…

    haha 😛

  25. roadjcat says:

    Weird, I’m playing Paper Mario and the Thousand Year Door right now, and you used a lot of music from that.

    Used? It isn’t past tense like I said earlier. XD Music from Super Paper Mario too, though oddly none from the original…which was the one with good music. XD

  26. Dj75728 says:

    I refuse to play spirit tracks due to the fact that:

    1. I’m not on a boat
    2. There are no buoys to climb
    3. Link is not wearing a nautical theme patched afghan
    4. I prefer a big blue watery road to train tracks

    I can just imagine how the first cutscene is gonna be…
    *Link is sitting around about to pour cereal*
    *a paper falls out of the box*
    Link: Cool! A train ride for three! …who am I gonna take? Hmmm…. [insert new fairy’s name here] aaaand…..*looks at Linebeck*……..T-Pain!

  27. Dj75728 says:

    1. Nintendo has failed us, accept it and move on.

    2. TotOK wasn’t horrible. Maybe it wasn’t that good, but horrible no. And roadjcats reason for not liking the temple seem more like he sucks at stealth than anything.

  28. roadjcat says:

    And roadjcats reason for not liking the temple seem more like he sucks at stealth than anything.

    Perhaps. But I’ve yet to realize why standing in one place waiting for enemies to leave is fun.

  29. dj75728 says:

    ^^^ It’s called stealth Roadj. If you’re bad at something admit it. I suck as a GH/RB drummer, I know this, and I accept it. Accept it if you’re not good at stealth.

  30. roadjcat says:

    ^^^ It’s called stealth Roadj. If you’re bad at something admit it. I suck as a GH/RB drummer, I know this, and I accept it. Accept it if you’re not good at stealth.

    I don’t care what it’s called and I’m bad at it because I can’t stand to do it for more than two seconds. And that still doesn’t tell me why standing in one place waiting for someone to leave is fun.

  31. dj75728 says:

    I don’t see why farm simulators are fun. To each his own Roadj. You’re impatient, something I’ve been able to tell from our SF matches.

  32. Kvb says:

    Yikes. Totally missed this one.
    I regret it! That Mega Man Black Doom Award was fantastic!

  33. Burnflare says:

    Hey guys! I’ve been watching this site for a couple of months now, and I decided to “rise from my grave.” I also didn’t want to be mauled by vicious nazi dogs. Awesome comic and podcast, keep it up Tim and Ray!

  34. DrOswald says:

    Perhaps. But I’ve yet to realize why standing in one place waiting for enemies to leave is fun.

    I like stealth based gameplay, but I don’t think it was done well in PH. I never felt stealthy.

    I don’t see why farm simulators are fun.

    I think these types of games are boring also.

  35. roadjcat says:

    I like stealth based gameplay, but I don’t think it was done well in PH. I never felt stealthy.

    Well, I’ve never played a game focused on stealth, and any game where they just throw it in is pretty bad…

    I don’t see why farm simulators are fun.

    I think these types of games are boring also.

    Well whatever. If Harvest Moon was strictly a farm simulator, I’d hate it to. It’s the whole aspect with the rest of the town. It’s more about the people than the farm IMO.

  36. Come on Ray, how can you not see what Nintendo is saving for E3, it’s so obvious.

  37. steve-ohs says:

    Yay! I finally listened to this one. A bit late, but it was good. I was thinking of not leaving a comment since Tim complained about people commenting in old comments in the podcast, but I thought he could suck it up for one comment.

    I felt so bad for Ray during the megaman black doom. I felt that every word Tim said was slowly killing Ray. I halfway expected Ray to die at the end with the explosion noise going and Tim gaining Ray’s poers.

  38. ­ says:

    Well then sorry but I am going to continue to annoy you Tim 🙂
    (yes you are going to have to listen to the pod-cast to know what I am talking about)

  39. ­ says:

    1. Trivia for Two! One of my favourite segments
    2. Ray Cheated. Tim is eliminated.
    3. Link to the Past, come on Link to the Past
    4. So no, it isn’t pure Sega it sounds like
    5. The one I wanted had better Music
    6. Although this Trivia for Two had to much well, you know Music and the song was way to long.
    7. Tim Cheated, Ray is also eliminated!
    8. That makes me win.
    9. Wait Tim got it wrong, twice, that makes him win!
    10. But I still win!
    11. So Ray wins I guess…
    12. I still say Ray is eliminated
    13. Ray is eliminated again
    14. That means Tim definitly wins
    15. Nintendo made some what?
    16. New Nintendo things… a Zelda game! No LttP though.
    17. I don’t have enough Downloaded stuff to need that. Yet (dun dun dun)
    18. They did listen to you
    19. They only listened to your podcast a week before the GDC09.
    20. LttP isn’t done
    21. LttP you should buy it should you not have it
    22. Buy LttP
    23. That is kinda small
    24. Hopefully
    25. Trains Plains are next then automobeals (hopefully never for either)
    26. I really want them to make a 2D Zelda with a real overworld… Like LttP
    27. I am going to do these more often now and try and have LttP in every comment on the podcasts like Roadjcats Rouge.
    28. Yea the Train is out of place
    29. But its magic or some crap
    30. Boat should sail
    31. He changes super soon its like the Pyjama Quest
    32. Steam Boats is a good point
    33. It is true
    34. The wild west
    35. Its not my favourite game
    36. Thats why I never finished that game
    37. It was two Stealth for me…
    38. I probably did do the shortcuts
    39. Race+Stealth=Bad
    40. I hated it most the first time
    41. I didn’t even like the tower of spirits
    42. I didn’t finish the game cause of that.
    43. 2D Zelda’s need to have LttP controls
    44. Using the Darknut was pritty fun though
    45. They fixed that in Spirit Tracks I guess…
    46. I would like to get that
    47. Invincable enimys are not supposed to be in Zelda game, Unless there stationary or totally predictable. Take LttP for reference.
    48. I think it would have been a hilarious podcast reference if Town Hall had a registered Sex Offender (Tortimer)
    49. Mine didn’t
    50. This comic I glazed over
    51. Tim wins again
    52. Did I mention Tim winning
    53. That is interesting
    54. I didn’t think of other or find it funny
    55. It is cheap, you should have used Tim’s idea
    56. I support the Timocrats
    57. All the other ideas were probably better
    58. Because there Tim’s
    59. To politacal, although Tim’s laugh makes me laugh.
    60. That’s part of the podcast, neither of you know what your going to say and so your natural laughs add to the humour
    61. Uranium
    62. I also plain on mentioning that in every giant post
    63. I like dogs
    64. Ah the remix. Wait for it to finish to continue on with the podcast
    65. Play the LttP boss battle music in my head
    66. Rise from your grave is way better once you sanctuary music it
    67. Yes it was, and that was a failed segue
    68. They are strange
    69. That makes NO sense.
    70. Yea PETA wants you to die to the dog
    71. PETA supports human murder to save an animal
    72. I think PETA should be mad at the bad guys in the game for training the dogs to be murderers
    73. That was a funny comment
    74. I think that was the point of that comment
    75. Come on sanctuary music
    76. Nope not yet, darn
    77. Why is that still funny
    78. I am giving you lots of emails
    79. Although they are not spam
    80. Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha
    81. I am annoying you then
    82. Hopefully you can figure this out
    83. Probably not
    84. Fail
    85. Grave risers are kinda not the most interesting part of the comment.
    86. I got out eventually
    87. I am throwing you a lot of bones now
    88. The Bones are becoming bigger
    89. This might be my biggest Bone
    90. Start doing it for us again.
    91. I do that…
    92. BLACK DOOM
    93. I have started giving those out
    94. Nintendo gets a lot of those
    95. Thats besides the point
    96. That one over there…
    97. They went back didn’t you remember that podcast
    98. But Tim is right because he is Tim
    99. can’t you remix songs
    100. They took a vacation
    101. Skyward Sword, Kid Iccuris Uprising, DKCR, NSMBW
    102. I wish
    103. Megaman 2?
    104. Oh for the iPhone
    105. I should try the VC one
    106. 1 out of 10 :O
    107. that better then one out of 10
    108. WAISTED SPACE
    109. Lack of Landscape…
    110. wow, 3D joystick
    111. Its ugly
    112. Good Point
    113. That is dumb
    114. That would be a cool idea
    115. That would be way better
    116. My point exactly
    117. and the Dpad would be better
    118. No supprise there
    119. Megaman shouldn’t be easy
    120. Wrong!
    121. WHY?
    122. To hard before so they made it for casual iPhone gamers
    123. That’s probably why I suck at SSBM
    124. Music is off WTF
    125. Good idea
    126. Wow…
    127. How hard would it be to port this???
    128. … -_-
    129. They just fail
    130. Sonic hat xD
    131. They should pay you 5$ per minute to play it, it sounds like.
    132. That just breaks it
    133. Alpha Beta
    134. Microsoft anyone?
    135. Thats why bosses only take 3 hits
    136. Probably
    137. Your probably immune to Spike Death. Spikes do 1 damage, out of your 100 health
    138. Musical Misfits. SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP
    139. Wait for it to start before skipping
    140. It started skipping now
    141. Whats the after the misfit part this time.
    142. it’s Jessica!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    143. Or not

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